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Gene from Tampa
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Feb 1st, 2018 11:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Students in New Mexico would have to apply to a college or commit to some other post-graduation plan in order to graduate from high school, under a bill working its way through the state's legislature.

Wow! This seems wrong on so many levels.

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Chris Greene
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Feb 1st, 2018 11:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If true, it's wrong on EVERY level.

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Feb 1st, 2018 11:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I wonder if the state is going to pay the students' application fees as well. As I recall, it was $35 to apply to state schools in NC in 2009. I don't know what private schools charge or how much it has changed since then, but that's not a small chunk of change when multiplied by however many students per year.

Also, what's to stop kids from just applying, getting accepted, then not going? The state can't force you to go to college. The whole situation seems preposterous to me.

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Feb 1st, 2018 11:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought this was a free country. This is just wrong.

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Feb 1st, 2018 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So long as a work plan is an accepted response...

I can see their point, and from what I've read they are not requiring college, just some kind of plan so they don't easily become slugs. A HS diploma is not a right.

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Feb 1st, 2018 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"A HS diploma is not a right."

I would disagree with that. The bill for their education has already been paid by (most) parents through taxes. If the kids have completed their courses and have all the points to graduate, they have a right to get what their parents paid for -- a diploma.

I can't believe this has a prayer of getting passed.

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Feb 1st, 2018 12:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Also, what's to stop kids from just applying, getting accepted, then not going? The state can't force you to go to college. The whole situation seems preposterous to me."

Holding aside whether its wrong, its stupid for this exact reason.

I suspect that Bill will not pass, and if it does, it will be successfully challenged.

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Feb 1st, 2018 12:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It is a very strange attempt at social engineering.

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Feb 1st, 2018 12:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's the first step toward "free" college.

If passed it will be taken to court claiming if the State requires College enrollment for HS graduation, it therefore must provide it.

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Feb 1st, 2018 03:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They could go with High School now being defined as grades 9 through 16.

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Feb 1st, 2018 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I would disagree with that. The bill for their education has already been paid by (most) parents through taxes. If the kids have completed their courses and have all the points to graduate, they have a right to get what their parents paid for -- a diploma."

Actually, the education *is* provided - the diploma is just documentation that the kid meets a minimum level of achievement. How is demonstrating a life skill like knowing and expressing what they are going to do the next year any different than being able to spell or total a bill? We're cranking out too many clueless kids in this country, partially due to ineffective parenting.

(Pardon me, I'm cranky - I never had kids until I got a teenage stepdaughter as a part of the dowry. ;-) )

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Feb 1st, 2018 04:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" We're cranking out too many clueless kids in this country, partially due to ineffective parenting."

I don't disagree, but the answer is not to keep throwing good money after bad.

The taxpayer is on the hook to get kids through 12th grade. Fine -- I don't have a problem with that.

The best students will rise to the top and they are the ones in which we should should be investing.

I don't have an answer for how we deal with the dregs, but we need to funnel the majority of our resources to our best and brightest.



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Feb 1st, 2018 04:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I see the drop out rate increasing.. ie backfire.

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Feb 1st, 2018 04:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We need to bring back shop class. Not everyone should go to College. Some are happier doing trades. But no school offers metal shop anymore. They push College. Why?

As said, the kids who want higher education should get it, those who want a valuable skill should get that.

Higher education does not mean smarter.

I worked along side many engineers who could not tell a screwdriver from a pipe wrench. Ask them the distance to the moon and how long it takes to split an atom they had the answer. Ask then to replace a light bulb and you get a blank stare.

The worst thing I saw was a containment cage for an 8 foot diameter chop saw. The saw was used to cut half inch wall steel pipe. Up to 24 inch diameter on a production line. They built the cage with no roof. I asked the head engineer what would stop pieces from going up? I was told with a smug retort,"It cannot go up"

He lost his job when the blade shattered and pieces landed in a shopping mall parking lot.

Engineers should work in the field they are going to engineer, for at least 2 years in order to get the degree.

(This message was last edited by K4 at 06:50 PM, Feb 1st, 2018)

Chris Greene
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Feb 1st, 2018 04:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would guess that over half the kids being funneled into college shouldn't be going. I agree with K4, more shop classes in high school and more 1-2 year trade certificates in junior colleges. 4 year degrees are wasted on way too many kids who are now in debt up to their ears and no real chance at a career job that will help them pay off those loans before they retire.

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Feb 1st, 2018 04:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

K4 - I got a 10 year boy along with my bride when I got married 18 years ago. He was smart but had no interest in school and had average grades. After a lot of discussion and soul searching we got him into a vocational high school (in NJ at the time). He eventually apprenticed as a glazier as part of his curriculum. Fast forward today he has a nice business specializing in store fronts - a lot of fast food restaurants etc. need glass installed/repaired. He's successful and has his independence and no college.

So yes, we need to accept that some of us have inate skills that can be awakened using a non-traditional (I almost typed Politically Correct) path.

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Feb 1st, 2018 05:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gene, that used to be a traditional path. Kids would take wood, metal or auto shop in HS. The kids who had talent in the trades went into classes that taught them.

You can make a great living with a skilled trade.

I wonder who is going to fix home heating and air conditioning systems in 20 years?

Chris Greene
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Feb 1st, 2018 05:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It sure won't be robots.

Gene from Tampa
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Feb 1st, 2018 05:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's my take on that ....

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Feb 1st, 2018 07:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

All I know is that New Mexico schools have high standards. Lots of smart folks out in New Mexico.


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