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reverendrob
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Jan 31st, 2018 03:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's become laughable...it reminds me of the gun control people trying to fix something they don't understand because numbers are scary.

The recent coverage of "how things are in a few towns" over a few years was particularly laughable.

Slate had breathless coverage telling me that chronic pain patients get two pills a day.

That's news to me, looking at my script.

And when I do the total of how many I've gotten over the last six years (and note, I haven't ever upped the prescription and take a day off now and again to see where I stand - no addiction issues whatsoever, like MOST chronic pain people!)...and take 500 people in severe, significant pain...

I get the numbers of horror they're putting in the headlines.

Sure, there's a problem in some communities. Oxycodone was readily abused, and the illegal fentanyl availability is a problem.

But I'm tired of threats against the one thing that makes life tolerable (and I'm not talking pain free, just "not crying in a ball in the corner praying for death") and it's gotten ridiculous.

And before any of you idiots suggest marijuana, go jump off a cliff. It is NOT the panacea claimed.

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Jan 31st, 2018 06:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I hope you don't get screwed over on this Rob.

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Jan 31st, 2018 06:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I cringe every-time I see that kind of reporting.

Like you I some days absolutely need the killers, others I can tolerate not taking any.

I also hate feeling like a criminal every three months when I have to piss in a cup, just to keep my script coming.

Now I see the banners coming after my other life saving drug, Imodium. Seems if you take enough of it, it causes a high. I never get anything other than normal stools from taking it. According to the last scare tactic reporting, 10, yes TEN people have died from ODing on it in the last 30 years.

I hate the direction this FREE Country is going.

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Jan 31st, 2018 06:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have needed opiates in the past after having my chest opened twice. I can't imagine having to suffer through that without the blessed relief of Lortabs at the time. Same when I had knee surgery. I sure hope the idiots don't restrict pain meds so much that people with severe chronic pain have to suffer. It's just not right to inflict that on innocents that haven't abused meds due to the relatively few who have.

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Jan 31st, 2018 06:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

“I also hate feeling like a criminal every three months when I have to piss in a cup, just to keep my script coming.”

Is this to check that you’re actually taking the med vs. selling it?

Obviously, reporters who publish “two-pill rubbish” have never experienced severe pain or spoke to anyone who has. It really is a disservice to patients who truly need it. If I ever OD, it will be an intentional end-of-life maneuver....

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Jan 31st, 2018 07:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Is this to check that you’re actually taking the med vs. selling it?"

Yup. Through work I am acquainted with a pain management physician, and he has frequently cut off patients for "failing" the pee test. If its not in your system, you don't need it.

He isn't particularly happy about the state of it, either. The last thing in the world he as a physician wants to be involved in is policing what people do when they are not in his office. But he's required to do so, so he does.

I personally try everything I can to not take meds for my pain, I have a fairly high threshold. The state of my back is such that my doctor said I could "easily" qualify for disability, and that he doesn't have any patients with the kind of damage I have to my spine who are employed.

Yet here I am, getting up for work every day and honestly not feeling awful most of the time. I don't know why.

But, I do go periodically for prescriptions for when the pain gets incredibly bad, which happens every 3-6 months. Its time to go again, actually, my last 90 day script lasted me 2 years.

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Jan 31st, 2018 07:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I get a prescription with refills every year, even though my pain is similarly episodic. This “reminds” my health care providers that my problems are generally chronic and aren’t ever going away. Also, I like to have a current Rx that is no older than one year, so that if by some remote chance that an LEO is rummaging through my belongings, I/it can demonstrate/infer a current justification for having those pills.

reverendrob
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Jan 31st, 2018 08:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thankfully don't have to deal with "pain management" crap - it's the one advantage to having visible obvious need.

I know folks who have had real issues though.

All the current scares do is chase doctors away from treating people out of fear of having their Schedule II privileges pulled.

I write in on every FDA or DEA comment opportunity, and they never listen or care about patients.

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Jan 31st, 2018 09:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Before my MIL passed this summer she was relegated to simply deciding to hurt for a few hours every afternoon in order to have enough relief to sleep through the night. Every single month she would wheelchair into the pain management clinic and cry and beg for just a bit more, to no avail. A woman whose spine was fusing into a solid mass was treated with the respect and dignity of a cop appraising a junky in the alley behind a pharmacy. Ever try to pee in a cup when you can't stand without assistance? For a very proper lady this was extreme humiliation. I see red just thinking about it. Laws are passed by headline seekers with little regard for consequence.

reverendrob
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Jan 31st, 2018 09:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yea, I thankfully have enough to get by - my tolerance is very high and I found a cocktail that works that hasn't had me have to up my scripts in six years.

But depending on what part of the country you're in etc...it's brutal.


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Jan 31st, 2018 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It is a two-edged sword that often cuts the wrong way/people.

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Jan 31st, 2018 09:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sounds like the familiar pattern of over-regulation to tackle those who abuse to the detriment of those with no choice or who use 'drugs' responsibly.

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Jan 31st, 2018 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^This^

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Jan 31st, 2018 10:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been taking norco daily for the past 3 years. Without it my pain levels go through the roof. After having neck surgery 31 days ago it was necessary to up what I take daily. Slowly I'm reducing back to my normal daily use. Living with serious constant pain is no fun. The norco helps control the level of pain.

I do smoke a bit of pot at night to help me relax and get to sleep. As for it as pain control it doesn't really do that. It does help you relax which can ease the pains a bit but it's no wonder drug.

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Jan 31st, 2018 10:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have arthritis and worn joints but the discomfort they cause, while annoyingly regular, is neither debilitating nor excruciating. My daily pain level is probably utter childsplay compared to what you're dealing with.

Hats off to you guys who are dealing with severe, chronic pain, yet manage to successfully manage your meds.



wborys
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Jan 31st, 2018 12:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I played at a 'Addiction Healing and Support' service on Wednesday, in Suburban Mid Jersey. We read the names of 64 addicts who passed. The 26 year old who spoke reinjured an old problem while in college, got hooked on legal oxy, had to move on to heroin. Now in recovery, she's one of the lucky/strong ones.

When the planners met to review the next Tuesday, 3 young adults had died since Wednesday.

Philadelphia's suing drug companies for pushing the drug, NJ may follow (research the situation).

Just sayin, there's something wrong here that needs fixing.

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Jan 31st, 2018 12:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"had to move on to heroin."


I have a problem with this thinking. I believe one "chooses" this course of action.

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Jan 31st, 2018 01:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Sounds like the familiar pattern of over-regulation to tackle those who abuse to the detriment of those with no choice or who use 'drugs' responsibly."

Exactly.

Substitute 'drugs' with pretty much anything, and change "responsibly" with responsibly/legally. That covers a wide range of problems caused by .gov.

Well said Charente.

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Jan 31st, 2018 01:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...got hooked on legal oxy, had to move on to heroin. Now in recovery, she's one of the lucky/strong ones."

This person abused the Oxy. That is not the Dr's fault. This person turned to Heroin when the high from the Oxy wasn't doing it anymore. Not the fault of the State, City, Feds, Dr's, only herself.

Sorry to be so blunt, but why should I, and others, suffer with pain just because some will abuse the medicine? Why should Dr's be threatened with jail time if they prescribe what some bureaucrat thinks is too many Opiates?

Chances are this person abused other drugs like alcohol or pot before deciding that she liked the opiate high best. Not anyones fault but her own.

My Son's wife's brother ODed on Heroin this week. It was his fault not anyone elses. Yes he died.



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Jan 31st, 2018 02:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah it sucks. As with all things a media frenzy or a governmental action takes things away from the people that really need it, never the true abusers as there is always the black market.

When I had Shingles in 2010, I was prescribed an opiate for the pain. It was a small dose relative to the amount of pain I was in however the doc would not budge. His "legal" solution was to want to give me an antidepressant type drug in addition that has been know to help relieve nerve pain. NO!

This crap has been going on for a long time and it just plain wrong.

My personal solution was whisky. That and the prescribed drugs worked...almost. I guess I could have become an alcoholic, turned to black market or used heroin.

Good luck to you Rob. I hope it all works for you.

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