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HeavyDuty
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Jan 31st, 2018 07:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I won’t be riding due to my ankle injury, but during the period I was trying to start a few years ago I really wished H-D did a moderate sized smaller engine bike - a Sportster is too small for many male adult’s first bike IMO. Put an 883 into a Dyna frame with minimal bling...

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I detect the El Supremo
Jan 31st, 2018 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know what you're all saying and it is true, but I still like Harleys. Their looks, the sound, is second to none and, I believe, that's what makes them popular. If I was in better health and had the financial means I get one myself........

or an

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rok-a-bill-e
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Clawhammer Rules!
Jan 31st, 2018 09:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The electric one will have speakers blasting a digital exhaust note!

jefe46
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State of Jefferson

Jan 31st, 2018 12:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

.. " the sound, is second to none..."

Right, and the majority have open pipes with a sound that says: Look at me.....Look at me, see me...


"and that's what makes them popular"

Yup, with disrespectful thugs.

JAFO
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Hemet, SoCal

I detect the El Supremo
Jan 31st, 2018 12:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^ jefe46, I can't stand that, either. When I was working in CT, I knew a couple of guys with opened pipes that would cruise down the street trying to set off car alarms. Those fools are what give bikers a bad name.

jefe46
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Jan 31st, 2018 06:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And the "fools" ride Harleys.

Screw 'em, and screw Harley for perpetuating the image.

Harley and Chrysler, same, same. Disrespectful, self absorbed, arrogant and living off a past memory.

Go away.

JAFO
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I detect the El Supremo
Jan 31st, 2018 06:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Okay........not every rider is like that, you know.

jefe46
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Jan 31st, 2018 07:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

True, but the image is created by and perpetuated by Harley. Thug bikes with ape hangers and open pipes.

What an image. I'm so turned on.

Makes me warm and fuzzy all over and rarin' to go down to the Harley shop and drop 30K plus for a POS that could have been spent on an adult bike for 10K less.

There is no excuse for a Harley other than buying an image. The bikes are archaic and unsafe and obnoxious as well as grossly overpriced.

"I'm sorry for your loss"

K4
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Jan 31st, 2018 07:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You mean like this?

External link

BrentD
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Jan 31st, 2018 07:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

rok, you *can* buy USA Levi's. They're more expensive, but they're out there.

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Hemet, SoCal

I detect the El Supremo
Jan 31st, 2018 08:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

jefe, I really don't know the basis of your hostility. Their current ads don't perpetuate the ruffian biker image at all. Just sayin'.

Peace, brother.

(This message was last edited by JAFO at 10:21 PM, Jan 31st, 2018)

jefe46
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Jan 31st, 2018 09:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not "hostility" simple fact.. they are going broke because they build a substandard product. Something intelligent folks have known for years.
Evidence, they are closing plants and dealerships.

Current ads don't counter 5-7 decades of focus on image before substance. The bikes are cartoons.
Dangerous cartoons. Thug sickles.



K4
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Jan 31st, 2018 11:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Jeff, they are not going out of business.

All motorcycle manufacturers are having sales slumps in the US and most of the world.

Harley has been tied up by its loyal customers who want a simplistic design. Now that demographic is dying off and the Motor company is starting to figure out where it needs to go.

The water cooled TC was the first step, the M8 is the second. They redesigned the softail lineup and it is worlds ahead of what it was..

The tax deal was for 20 years in KC, that 20 years is up. This is a good financial decision for HD since motorcycle sales are down.

This isn't a death bell.

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Jan 31st, 2018 11:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I believe we will see a 50 or 55 degree split pin crank water cooled V twin in the near future. The added space will allow a real intake manifold. The later Twin Cams and the M8 sound like CaCa compared to the old Pans and Shovels so might as well get rid of the single pin crank.

That will make the engine comparable to the competition.

I also believe they will make the touring line handle as well as a gold wing and still keep the HD good looks.

I hope they make an entry level 500cc or less bike that is inexpensive so younger riders can afford Milwaukee iron.

I should apply for CEO of HD.

jefe46
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Feb 1st, 2018 06:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Death knell.. an indication of an imminent failure. You don't close a plant because you are making money.. you close a plant because it is losing money.. going broke. The company is stagnant, the bikes are non competitive.
Simple, build something else.

Much like Taylor guitars;
who took a look at what failings the instrument has and re engineered it. Ergo successful.

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 12:50 PM, Feb 1st, 2018)

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It's all gravy from here on...
Feb 1st, 2018 07:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It didn't bother me that my Harley's were not the fastest, best handling, lightest most fuel efficient motorcycles built. They were comfortable, had decent performance and mine were rock-solid dependable. More so than me. Price-wise, I got back all but about 2K on two new motorcycles over about 6 years when I sold. A bit over $300/yr to ride and that ain't bad. 2006 1200 Sporty and a 2008 Super-Glide Custom.

KC made some good stuff IMO and it's sad to see them go.

K4
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Feb 1st, 2018 08:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They got rid of the V-rod and Dyna line. The Dyna's got rolled into the softail line. Both were made in KC. Couple that with now having to pay tax to KC and it makes sense to consolidate production at York. Which is expanding.

Jhawker, Yep never really bothered me either, but the kids want performance.

I don't hear the "death BELL" ringing.

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Feb 1st, 2018 10:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was much younger 34 years ago when I purchased my FXST, it had been a dream of mine since I was a kid to own a Harley.

They were the first motocycles that I was taken for a ride on. I grew up an AirForce brat, Dad was riding a Harley in the AP when I was born. The history of the iconic motorcycle was prevalent. I understand now at 65 that these are not good reasons for purchasing a motorcycle, still I am so comfortable on this bike, even though it’s not really comfortable, I can handle it with years of experience riding in Miami and the highways of the eastern seaboard.

It’s the first of it’s kind, for Harley. The ‘new’ 84 Evo engine has never given me any trouble, it was actually disrespected by the old iron head riders. I didn’t care. It’s still stock except for the S&S carburetor. I could probably get what I paid for it plus the 34 years of inflation of the dollar. I can’t complain, at this point the bike was free at the $8,250 I paid for it.

Itâs been repainted with itâs stock Candy Apple color, since this photo

Leftee
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Life makes a man tired.
Feb 1st, 2018 10:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How many miles do you have on it?

hushnel
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Feb 1st, 2018 10:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It’s hard to say, I’ve gone through a few speedometer cables and a few times it took a while before I replaced them. I guess somewhere around 90,000 to 140,000. There has been times when a year would go by when I didn’t ride it and years of it being my only transportation.

I was never hard on the throttle, Only once, on Tamiami Trail did I ever run it throttle wide open. None of the guys riding with me could keep up, my speedometer was maxed out. I have no idea how fast I was going but I really didn’t enjoy the speed. I like the ride but never been excited about going fast.

When I hit the starter the bike is running before the engine even turns over, it just starts. My mechanic was showing this off to a guy who rolled up on a bagger. The guy asks him can he make his bike start that smoothly, Skin, my friend and mechanic, says no. He tells the guy you got to keep it bone stock and ride it for 30 years like an old lady.

I can kick start it when it’s cold and hasn’t been run for a while, but once the oil is in the heads forget it, the compression is insaine.

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