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Malcolm
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Feb 4th, 2018 12:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tony
The Excelsior and Rampart are unfamiliar to me. I would have guessed they were SS.
Vos has come out wire 5w tube combo that sounds interesting, the Origin series.
Will wait and see.

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Feb 4th, 2018 12:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I've not heard to many good things at all about these amps."

Are you talking about the Origin? They aren't even available yet AFAIK. There are a few videos from NAMM, that's about all I've seen so far.

Tony Wright
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Feb 5th, 2018 06:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It has been a long time since I read the Fender promotional about the "Pawn Shop Series" but I seem to recall that the purpose was to put together some new amps at reasonable prices that would appeal to the guy who is looking in pawn shops and Craigslist and garage sales for those old amps from the early 50s that had that old school sound quality but also had that funky image that many manufacturers were doing the make them look "1950s modern". Thus the various "outer space design" of the Vaporizer and the color schemes of surf green and similar "period popular" colors on the Excelsior...and the exotic fabric covering on the Ramparte.

But less you think them just fashion statements...go listen. The reviews are still online for Musician's Friend and Sweetwater and a few other online mega stores...most of the reviews have nice things to say. They are quirky like any amp that is not designed for the masses. The Ramparte has separate inputs for "guitar" and "accordion"...the Excelsior has a 15 inch speaker with the control panel on the top with the amp section in the bottom of the cabinet...both Ramparte and Vaporizer have single 12s. All three have their own "voice" and different Wattage ratings to intentionally get just a little different on their break up point and their own voice.

Guys who own them do not seem to be dumping them on the second hand market but there are not that many of them in the first place, so perhaps there are an "appropriate" number available on the used market...who knows.

I do not own any one of the 3 models and as a bass player, I doubt I am going to buy one. I already own two Blues Jrs for when someone comes over to pick and grin...but if I had the cash and one came up locally...I might pick one up to at least let my friends have fun with it for a few months.

The price on these seems to be reasonable for such a product.

HOWEVER...THEY ARE NOT EVERYONE'S CUP OF TEA. They have their own sound...many of the reviewers have complained that they don't like the 15 or they dislike the accordion tone (NO controls other than volume on that model...OLD SCHOOL, I had an amp like that back in the mid 60s.)

I am NOT saying this is the holy grail. It is just something to consider. I recall reading one discussion about the Pawn Shop Series that basically the reviewer was happy that he had that amp for those times he was bored with his regular set up.

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Feb 5th, 2018 08:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Princeton Reverb.

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Feb 5th, 2018 08:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a Rampart that I bought on the cheap...really cheap. I think I paid $100 NOS for it.
Think two channel Champ with a 12" speaker. It's also a beautiful looking amp....
Now the downside...

They hum. I can't remember what exactly the cause was...power transformer not shielded correctly or placed too close to other parts. I solved some of the hum on mine by swapping out the power cord. I work in TV and happened to have a power cord laying around that's shielded far better than most. It helped some. I also swapped out the speaker with one I had lying around from my '96 HRD. It sounds great...but hums. If it was my only amp or second amp, it would drive me crazy and I'd hate it. But since I have 5 others...it doesn't because when I use it there's a reason and I can ignore the hum.
Someday I may have a fix done to it or use the cabinet for something else...most likely I'll just live with it. But it you're not knee deep in amps already, I'd pass on the Rampart.

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Feb 5th, 2018 09:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A few years ago I bought a 5w 1x12 Bad Cat that had the same issue that daveg mentions above. The amp had wicked-great tone. But I couldn’t get over the hum so I sent it back.

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Feb 5th, 2018 10:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

6V6 amps give you the Fender 6L6 thump to a degree. That would be a Princeton, DR, Supersonic 22.

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Feb 6th, 2018 02:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've tried (and tried to like) the Ramparte, but just didn't. Maybe it works for some settings, but it sounded very flat and one-dimensional to me.

The Excelsior I actually really thought had possibilities. It has a "normal/bright" switch that you can actually set halfway between the two setting for a third sound - which to my ears was the best; nice highs but not spikey bright.

I ended up taking the Excelsior back because I didn't want to get into modding a low end amp (even a speaker change - which requires a 15" - something you're probably not going to be able to use in too many other amps.

But of the two, I liked the Excelsior much better than the Ramparte, although the Ramparte is a LOT lighter.

EDIT: There was also a funky looking amp with 2 x 10" speakers in this series - can't remember the name of it. It has some quirky controls, too, but I don't remember what they were (maybe an odd boost switch or something?).

(This message was last edited by reverend mikey at 04:28 PM, Feb 6th, 2018)

Leftee
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Feb 6th, 2018 03:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Vaporizer

fitz

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Feb 6th, 2018 07:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How about a Supro 1600 Supreme. 15/25 watts, 10" speaker. It is a solid amp with great tones. It compliments my PRRI very well. Also this is a great price:

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Malcolm
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Feb 7th, 2018 08:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm wanting a bedroom type amp.

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Feb 7th, 2018 09:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I recommend taking a look at Super Champ XD. Great sounding amp, with options, and loud enough to gig with. Have fun on your journey.

Tony Wright
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Feb 7th, 2018 11:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Malcolm, have you been to Gear Exchange in OKC? It is located at NW 50th and Portland behind Arbuckle's Fried Pies. (NW corner of NW 50th & Portland)

Check the inventory and see if there is anything you like call them. Find their add on CL and it will give you their website. They have a Fender Princeton. You have had several suggestions for that amp...and they ARE SWEET. I owned a black face 1965 Princeton Reverb (Original) and would still own it, but I was broke and as I said, I play bass, not guitar. Not sure if the Princeton at Gear Exchange is a recent or older reissue or an original...

Malcolm
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Feb 8th, 2018 11:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tony
Thanks for your(and everyones) help./ Apprerciate it.
I've been to Gear Exchange a long time ago. Will revisit it.

Wish I still; had all my stuff, but have to eat and pay bills.

*I* would think bass players would have more work, with less competition.

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Feb 8th, 2018 12:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Supro! Several good amps to be had and a few under 1K.

I have this one. It's a little beast!

(This message was last edited by jhawkr at 02:51 PM, Feb 8th, 2018)

jhawkr
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Feb 8th, 2018 12:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This one looks cool too. If I didn't already have 11 amps...

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Feb 10th, 2018 07:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bedroom amp? +1 on the Fender Superchamp XD or X2. They sound great. You can gig with them too, lotza headroom for a little buger.

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Feb 13th, 2018 07:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another vote for the Fender X2. Just sooooo many options for tone shaping and SO MUCH SPARKLE from the dual 6V6 output. I run the 15 watt head in to a gutted amp (now cab) with Fender design Eminence 12 at 8 ohms. The speaker has long been broken in quite well from 18 years of prior varied use....Cool classic style rig and has serious classic sounds in it-----use it weekly for a fun little club (old haunted tavern) open mic. I sorta am the house band guitarist too. Sorry for the story-----just cannot encourage you enough to at least TRY one of these.... :) CHEERS AND HAPPY AMP HUNTING!!!!!

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Feb 13th, 2018 03:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use my 13 watt Excelsior for small room gigs with a drummer and bass player it's not a bedroom amp at all it's really pretty loud but it does loose headroom quickly from about 4:00 on. I did mod it with an Eminence Legacy speaker and better tubes which got me a few more db's and a smoother breakup. It's also got a very nice sounding tremolo but I seldom use that feature much. Lots of good choices out there and I thought I'd chime in on the Excelsior since I've been using this amp quite a bit for a while now.

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Feb 23rd, 2018 03:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

YooHoo Malcolm, are you still on the hunt for a small amp? I played a Bugera G5 infinium (5watt-1watt) It sounded really nice to me. Our local music store has one and I played a Tele and a ES 335 through it for a half hour or so. The draw back is that it's just a head, so that's a deal breaker for some.

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