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HenryJ
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Jan 28th, 2018 11:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Father is an ex..."

I sort of figured that there was not a man around the house to serve as an example.

I believe that if there were more daddies around, the world would be a better place. Just my tuppence.

jefe46
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Jan 28th, 2018 01:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

He had several opportunities to go live with his father in Indianapolis, but after brief visits discovered that there was an expectation of self reliance, and responsibility. He chose to return to his mother's abode.

He did have a job at a grocery store, a cutesy boutique foodery where he managed to stay for about 8-9 months.
I went in there a couple times. Unkempt, morose, slow, no energy, no drive no sense of urgency
Then he was gone. Offered no explanation. I am guessing others sensed his level of contribution was not in line with expectations..

He then decided to be an independent computer nerd and is doing some work for others setting up and maintaining web sites (including dope growers).
I asked if he had any involvement in the production or sale of dope. He said no. But I wonder.

He dropped out of college at the end of his first semester where his grades reflected his participation. He is extremely intelligent and computer hip and a literate musician.. but no ambition and has never had any.



I considered going out and getting another amp, but why. He takes too much for gt=ranted and, this amp is one of 50 and, I like it. and I am considering this... giving him the LAb Series L5 as a gift.. If and Only if my Blues Jr isn't trashed.


I have decided that I will continue letting him use the Music Master Bass amp which I did have completely overhauled and it is a great amp.. perfect for the Tele or a harp player.

My wife says she doesn't like his attitude but also says that this is the new standard.

You got it... he thinks he is "entitled".. I fear that this may have come from his mother (my daughter) and my ex, her mother my grandson's grand mother. From a very wealthy family (Pebble Beach) every thing handed to them.


Worked on the other house today, correcting hack wiring done the day it was constructed back in 1974, very creative back then.

The kid has been invited several times to work over there, 15 minutes form his house.. no show and no interest.

When he works out here in Dopeville ( used to) I'd pay him $20 an hour and $20 gas money. Apparently that isn't enough anymore.

BTW he has never, not once, volunteered to help do anything . Never.

Let him keep a 1 of 50 Blues Jr.. and spend $500 to get one of the new run of the mill units.. inclined to say no...

If I bought myself a new amp it would likely be an AER.

K4
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Jan 28th, 2018 01:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hell, if I was 16, or 21 and my father was a famous crew chief, I know where I'd be. Working for him. Even if that meant sweeping the shop floor.

I have found your experience with your grandson to be what I found with 90% of the kids we hired. Never had to fire them because they left after a day or two. Oh yea they expected to be boss in a week.

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Jan 28th, 2018 01:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No friggin way I'd part with the Lab Series L5...especially if it's in good shape. They are great amps and have a good following among many.

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jefe46
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Jan 28th, 2018 02:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

K4.. that was offered. And the company has been national and international champs many times.

I wish I had that kind of an opportunity when I was a kid..
even for what I do and know and could offer.. ... no interest because it involves showing up on time and showing some interest.. whether raking up leaves, setting fence posts, cutting firewood, replacing the well pump, overhauling a stationary water pump, replacing the timing belt on his car (twice)... working on my MGB.. no interest.


My wife is VP of Human resources for her company she is #2 and only answers to the owner.

Anyone under 30.. useless.
Showing up for interviews in holy jeans and smelling like weed, slouching, knowing nothing about the company. Then when she finds a few that seem worthy, half don't show up for paid training. And then after the training half don't show for their first day at work.

Willie, I really, really like my LAB Series L5, same as BB King used. Mine's in excellent plus condition and a great amp.. all be it about 75 lbs, and though on wheels should be motorized : )
I got it when I bought the 77 hard tail Strat as a package all for $150...
Sold the Strat for a serious profit and kept the Lab Series L5.. still have all the original paperwork and schematics, owners manual etc.

Prefer it over Fender Twins.





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Jan 28th, 2018 03:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

NOOOOO ...Not the Lab L5. She's a keeper.

Just my 2¢ Worth

Go get the Blues Junior and don't further enable the grandson by replacing it with anything else.

You're more tolerant than I and much respect for that. But, if it were me (and I know it isn't lol) I'd collect all but one guitar I'd lent and all but whichever amp I wanted the least.

If he decided to pursue playing, showing some ambition and responsibility, then we might have a further discussion.

Hope you get the Blues Jr. back and it's in good condition.



RDR
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Jan 28th, 2018 04:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Go get both amps and keep the Lab.

jefe46
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Jan 28th, 2018 05:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have decided to get the Blues Jr
Perhaps the Fender Music Master Bass which I got in another buy/sell hustle about 18 years ago...

and since he does have the Bergara(sp) and now the Epiphone...he has amps.
Let him earn some money and buy his own amp of choice.

"If he decided to pursue playing, showing some ambition and responsibility, then we might have a further discussion."

That is what I am thinking.

There's a lot more to this story but I'll leave it there.
Simply fed up.

jefe46
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Jan 29th, 2018 06:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Regroup here. All he does is computer and play guitar.

What he needs to do is show some responsibility, self reliance,more importantly R E S P E C T.

WireDog
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Jan 29th, 2018 09:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How would you describe the education climate in the public schools, Jefe?

I'm just wondering if something is lacking in the education of the kids to make them this way. As a teacher myself, we get feedback from employers that kids enter the work-force unable to communicate their ideas. this makes them rather ineffective. I wonder if G-son has respect but can't communicate it.

I'm very critical of the education system in this country. I wonder if this is another facet of its failing.

Then again, is it the role of schools to fill in that area of development...? Any thoughts?







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Jan 29th, 2018 10:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"How would you describe the education climate in the public schools?"

"Then again, is it the role of schools to fill in that area of development...? Any thoughts?"

Here is a thought ... We as individuals always seem to find ways to cast the blame in places it doesn't necessarily belong and tend to never look at ourselves for the part we played in creating the mess.

As for how that applies to the situation being discussed in this thread ... I don't know nearly enough about the primary participants in the situation to make a judgement.

I tend to believe that the biggest problem in most schools is the failure of Students and Parents to hold themselves accountable for results. Emphasis there on Parents.

K4
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Jan 29th, 2018 10:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I took my kids out of public schools due to the climate there. I don't want to derail this, but what I saw in the schools was a failure to correct mistakes. Everyone was told they are special and can do no wrong. During a parent teacher conference I asked my daughters teacher why she graded a writing paper 100%, when it obviously had spelling, grammatical, sentence and paragraph structure issues. I was told they (school) did not care about any of that, and only wanted the students to tell a story.

I asked, how can they learn if the mistakes are not pointed out. I was told pointing out mistakes would harm the child's self esteem.

One week later she was in a private school.

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Jan 29th, 2018 11:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tough love man. If it were me I'd go pick up all my loaned gear. The gifted stuff well...that's his.

I remember being 21. I had lived on my own and supported myself for 3 years. I worked full time and schooled part time. I had one guitar, an Epiphone acoustic that I installed a pickup in and one amp, a '65 Bandmaster. I bought both with my own money. Some weeks all I ate was bologna sammies. I did own two cars, an MG midget and a '70 Impala (winter beater).

Nearly every Sunday that Dad and I weren't fishing and sometimes after, I'd go pick up Grandma and take her to the cemetery to visit Grandpa's grave. Upon our return, I'd mow her lawn. This was my duty from the time a started driving.

I get the broken home thing and maybe his mom has overcompensated for that however until the slacker grandson hits rock bottom nothing will change. Go get your gear. I'd pick all the loaners.

jefe46
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Jan 29th, 2018 02:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was about useless until I was 18.. then I moved out on my own.
Had jobs, starved sometimes, but paved/paid my own way. Attended some college... made stuff, sold stuff, built surfboards professionally, built boats professionally, went in the car biz and spent 25 years there.
My parents never bought me a car and my first was a 1953 MG TD in pieces. If something broke I learned how to fix it.
If I was broke I sold a guitar or a car to pay rent and eat.

I elevated myself from a "broken home", jerk for a step father and made something of myself.

By 21 married, by 23 bought my forst house. I did not end up Nat'l Training Manager for Management Training for Volvo Motors of America, And BMW of No America and a Field Service Manager for Mercedes/Benz of N.Am. or a factory rep for Mazda Motors of America for 7 years , or Asst Serv Manager of a Jag, Rolls,Bentley, Aston Martin, MG, Austin Healy, Lotus dealership by 25 because I was a flake.

I paid child support for 14 years, every dime on time. I put my ex through University of Arizona and had to scratch my own education because of it.

This is stuff that my grandson did not get.

No one in my family has been this much of a non achiever and no comprehension of responsibility or self reliance or respect for himself or others.

My father held degrees in Horticulture and land planning. He was a licensed civil engineer, architect, former city planner as well as a designer of Settlers Bay up in Wasila, Ak & former mayor of Nome.. .. and had a masters in sociology. Retired and went into the antique business.

My mother wrote 5 travel guides and dozens of short stories. Wrote for TV jingles, and advertising copy. Typed 125 words a minute on a manual typewriter and 180 plus on an IBM Selectric.
Hard working and bright and dedicated.. skills in many areas beyond belief..

But this spawn just did not, nor does, "get it".

I will arrange to meet him at his digs and get at least the Blues JR. I am going to cut my losses.





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Jan 29th, 2018 02:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BlondeStrat: "I tend to believe that the biggest problem in most schools is the failure of Students and Parents to hold themselves accountable for results. Emphasis there on Parents."

My theory about what is wrong with the schools is that too many children come from single-parent household, or what used to be called "broken homes." I believe children brought up with two parents have a much better shot at life.

Or did I already post that somewhere?

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Jan 29th, 2018 06:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know there are some good public schools, but most are not.

They don't teach the kids, they coddle them. The end result it "safe spaces" so they don't have to listen to something different than what they believe.

The so called "sno-flakes.

I know every older generation thinks the up coming generation is going to ruin the Country, but it is being destroyed as I watch.

This destruction is due to the schools and what they teach, but mostly what they do not teach.

When I went to school we were taught to think, today that is not the case.

Hope I didn't cross any lines.

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Jan 29th, 2018 07:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I believe children brought up with two parents have a much better shot at life."

HenryJ, you'll get no disagreement from me on that one.

My sense of it, especially with boys, is they need to have someone in the house that they know is capable of knocking them into the middle of next week if circumstances dictate.

That said ... I'm not saying kids should be beaten. I'm saying that in the absence of that dynamic boys can (and often do) become cavalierly bold and uncontrollable.

jefe46
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Jan 30th, 2018 05:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Local Elementary school..


First Oregon is 47th in the US in education. State is run by other than what we would like.
County is lowest in the state. Run by those we do not like.
Local School is absolutely last in the county. The school board was taken over by the dope grwers who have a particular political and philosophical bent as do the teachers.

Anyone with a brain and wants the best for their kids won't send them there.

When you can make millions growing dope and scam the health system and the Oregon Trail food stamp system, who cares about an education that prepares you for competition.

Kids are considered "precious cargo".. and that's where it began.. with that stupid yellow sign in car windows.

As to broken homes, I know those who survived.

As to the grandson.
Father absent for 3 years.. then daughter was with the same guy who was ok for 12 years making the kid 15. The there was an event and the guy exited. Too bad, he went off the rails and was a teacher with a masters in English.. Smoke dope, crash car . Gone. No dope in my daughter's household.

They moved near me and he finished high school ( barely.. as I had to bail his axx out in his required Sr project) more on that later.
I am always available. He does not place any value on that.

No excuse for being a flake.

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 07:11 AM, Jan 30th, 2018)

Jake
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Jan 30th, 2018 11:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Failure to Launch I think they call this.

"If he wasn't related, I wouldn't know him."

That hits home. Youngest sibling, dropped out of the family. Needs professional help, thirty years in the making, 53 YO now.

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Jan 31st, 2018 08:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It seems that the educational system is not preparing the students to deal with failures.

I had the opportunity to take all the shop classes, woodshop, metalshop, electronics, printing, failures were enevitable and instructional. I still fail from time to time in projects that take a new direction. Not only do I learn volumes from these failures I’ve also learned how to think ahead, run through the logic of the design, techniques for producing the project and identify likely pitfalls.

This lack of education may cause the student to just give up as something they aren’t wired to do. Like they say if you think you can or think you can’t you’ll be right.

Self esteem doesn’t come from a teacher or parent insulating the child from adversity and failure, it’s the ability to overcome the adversity and failures that builds self esteem and competence.

I don’t know about you guys but a very long time ago I decided I wanted to play a guitar (music), I was 7 or 8, it wasn’t easy, it was pretty damn hard in fact. 56 years later I’m still playing, times occure when I think I really suck and I just try harder. After the violin, cello, concert bass I became a bassest, I do play a bit of guitar but discovered I am a much more tallented bass player, that doesn’t embarrass himself when I do pick up a six string.

I can’t tell ya how many people tell me they don’t have any musical talent, yeah, well maybe I don’t either, if what their talking about is a gift at birth. I’ve spent my whole life getting to where I am today and I’m just competent, no superstar, not gifted, but I can play.

I’m going to spend a week with Victor Wooten at his Bass camp near Nashville this summer, it will take balls to pull out my bass and play in front of him. Sure, anxiety is unavoidable, but the benifit of pushing through, facing my weaknesses will be a positive step in playing better.

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