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larryguitar19
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Jan 21st, 2018 10:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would like your opinions.

My current pedal board is a small Gator Tote about 17"x13" which is just large enough for my minimalist pedal board. Basically i have a the following pedals:

TU2>Wampler Ego>Fulltone Fulldrive2>OCD>Strymon>Deja Mind> TC Flashback>Boss DD7.

So you see I have multiple of certain types of pedals that I toggle on the fly. It works....kinda...but I would like something just a little bigger and cleaner.

I see most professionals have gone to some sort of 'all pedals always on' with some sort of 'switcher' that toggles through banks rather than hopscotching around. Also you don't get the noise running a serial signal chain. I have no doubt this is the way I'd go as a touring professional.

But I'm not sure as an occasional gigger and weekend warrior I might be buying something I don't really need. Also I do tend to simplicity. But I like the idea of a couple switches at the bottom dedicated to a couple presets.

But this thing seems cool as all get out. And I calculate it has just enough room to add a Wah or volume pedal.

Thoughts? Please talk me out of it if you can.

p.s. edited to correct link

Voodoo Lab Dingbat

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 09:07 AM, Jan 22nd, 2018)

reverendrob
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Jan 21st, 2018 11:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You've linked a YT video for some band.

And text is to a pedalboard, not a switcher.

So..confused!

I have a Boss ES-8, but it's massive overkill for general human use.

larryguitar19
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Jan 22nd, 2018 01:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes I looked at the ES-8 and eliminated it from consideration. I don't need programmable presets and such.

All I want is 3 or 4 switch as the bottom of my board that activate a group of pedals in some configuration. I have no ability to read a manual and learn code.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 05:23 PM, Jan 22nd, 2018)

twangdoodles

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Jan 22nd, 2018 04:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think you should find something here to suit your needs...

Not too pricey either.

Cal-Woody

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Jan 22nd, 2018 06:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the guys I play guitar with has the Voodoo Lab switching unit and controller pedal. He puts all his pedals in a rack drawer and controls the pedals from that. It has a few banks of switches but can configure the controller to activate the pedals. The pedals are always On and the controller is configured to activate whichever pedals he wants, but yes, you would still need to program the patches to activate whichever pedals you want but the switcher unit you linked to is a more compact version of the same unit. These can be programmed to access a single pedal or groups. They are convenient and once you set it up, you'll be able to work your effects on the fly.
These are closely designed behind the Bradshaw switchers and are really fast and quiet! No delay just a neat way to approach and route your effects.
I think the one my friend has is a 2 piece unit. A floor controller and something else that attaches to the pedals in the rack.
It has been a few years and can't recall everything about it, but do some research and you'll learn what I mean.
Like I stated earlier, it will require some programming, but it is very basic.

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Jan 22nd, 2018 07:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What you're looking for is going to require setup/programming on any of them.

It won't know what you want or how you want them arranged magically!

ejm

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Jan 23rd, 2018 06:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

larryguitar: "All I want is 3 or 4 switch as the bottom of my board that activate a group of pedals in some configuration. I have no ability to read a manual and learn code."

I'm not sure how much control you want.
Forget the effect names (too much typing).
Just number them pedals 1 2 3 4.

Normally pedals are connected in series, one after the other.
Do you just want to activate them individually or maybe in a group?
Examples:
1
4
2
3
1 2
2 4
3 4
etc etc etc.
A Carl Martin Octaswitch may do that.

Or, do you also want to switch the order?
Examples:
1
3
2
1 2
2 1
1 3
4 1
etc etc.
Now it gets a little more complex.


larryguitar19
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Jan 23rd, 2018 09:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Actually I did read the online manual and think I get it. You can do it a couple ways.

The most simple is to have each switch correspond to each pedal. Pretty straightforward.

The next level is to assign 3 or 4 switches as presets with a group and then leave the others to add something to a preset. Makes sense to me.

The next after that is to just have a bunch of presets. I note that the pros may have a different preset for every song. That's over kill for me.

So far it's looking like the Voodoo Lab PX8 Plus for $679 is not too bad. The board is 13"x 24" which is considered a 'medium' size.

It looks like you can get a Controller and use that as a stand alone while everything is in the rack but I don't see the need for that in my world.


Cal-Woody

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Jan 23rd, 2018 11:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The nice thing about it is having your footswitches out in front and not having to try and step over your pedals to reach the effect you want! I like that idea a lot and it eases the thought process while trying to navigate your pedal board during songs.
Don't forget the pedal power supply.
I have the large Pedal Train board with the Voodoo power supply that mounts underneath. It has a hard case that it all drops into. Just pull it out and plug in and play. But the Voodoo switcher allows you to have all your cable runs under the board and makes everything nice and tidy! That would be the way I would like to have mine, but just having a pedal board is a blessing to me.
I'd say go for it and enjoy the ease of connections, along with the front mounted switches is just icing on the cake! Very nice, indeed!

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Jan 24th, 2018 08:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Voodoo Lab PX-8 is a great unit, and can do exactly what you are looking for, with the option of presets should you decide later on that you'd like to go that route (which is a great route, btw...). If you are tired of the dance, then a preset-based system is the way to go.

I made the switch from a standard pedalboard (40x18 Trailer Trash) to a Bradshaw switching system a couple years ago and have been more than pleased. My "A" rig is a Custom Audio Electronics pedalboard switching system using two boards - the first board has the CAE RST-24 with a four switch expander, and the second has the actual switcher and all of my pedals. The controller can be programmed to operate in many ways, but I use it with 6 preset switches and the rest set as "direct access" switches. I have it set to "Song Mode" so I can program each song and then create set lists from the master song list. At that point, I just scroll through the songs , each with their own 6 presets.

Current rig

(This message was last edited by SquareWave at 10:20 PM, Jan 24th, 2018)

larryguitar19
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Jan 24th, 2018 08:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I appreciate the responses. I went ahead and pulled the trigger. It will arrive next week. I'll post a video here when I get it done.

My theory is it does seem to do what I want. And besides I'm a grown man and can spend my money on things I like.

I'll keep you updated.

SquareWave
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Jan 24th, 2018 08:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Congrats! I believe you'll find it very useful.

larryguitar19
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Jan 30th, 2018 11:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The board arrived.

The Good--
The size and weight is just right. I laid out the 8 pedals and everything fits nice. The holes are conveniently placed so I can run everything underneath. The switches feel smooth. The tote bag is sturdy enough. I love the Mondo VL power supply.

The Not so Good--
The standard daisy chain patch cables won't work. You need 1/4 straight to right angle and you need a bunch of them. It's not a standard cheap item so it looks like another $100.

Also There is no input and output on the side brackets as in some of the boutique boards. The input/output are underneath inside of the PX8. The solution is to have two pedals on top 'always on' outside of the loop...ie the tuner and a delay...and use the loops for everything else.

I am not fond of velcro and prefer zip tie but the holes are not necessarily placed in the right spot. I've done velcro in the past and the pedals always come loose.

You have to take out out of the bag to use it and there are no handles. So have to fashion something. I like some of the other pedal boards where you just take off the top and plug and play. This is not like that.

I ordered an LED for underneath. Also I sprung for a bright light switch so I can light up the board when needed. On the old board I kept a flashlight on the board because I could not read the dials at some of the gigs.

This board is about 15% bigger than my previous board when my sensibilities are going to fewer rather than more pedals. But I really have settled in on the rig. I have about 8 pedals but only use maybe 3 or 4 at a time and I like the ability to create a preset loop.

Verdict--It's not perfect but I'll keep it. The total cost will run me about $800 to complete it the way I want. If I ordered a more 'finished' product from Temple or Trailer Trash it would close to $1000. The Mondo and Switcher are almost $600 ala carte. I don't feel like waiting for an order and then maybe finding I don't like that for some reason.

I'm going to keep the old board for a smaller rig for the 3 song blues plug and play jam and I'll develop this board for other gigs where I have room on the stage.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 01:46 AM, Jan 31st, 2018)

reverendrob
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Jan 31st, 2018 01:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Don't get Velcro.

Get Dual Lock.

The pedals will NOT come loose by error.

I can lift my entire board by a pedal.

SquareWave
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Jan 31st, 2018 12:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Rev is correct; Dual Lock is the way to go.

RicOkc

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Jan 31st, 2018 12:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

+1 on Dual-Lock I've been using it on my board for several years

larryguitar19
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Jan 31st, 2018 07:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys. I researched it and it looks like exactly what I need.

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