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Leftee
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Dec 25th, 2017 05:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gear post, I suppose.

My observations Two years into marriage to a violinist.

They generally have 1 violin. Some *might* have two. It took her a while to comprehend 14 guitars. Or whatever I have now.

They have one bow. Or one bow per instrument.

A good inexpensive violin starts @ $3k. Bows @ $500.

That violin is their baby. My wife has had hers since 6th grade. There is no greater violin on the planet. Not to her there isn’t.

She only gets new strings every 2-3 years. Usually when it won’t hold tune or a string breaks. She doesn’t restring her violin herself and never has. A set of strings is @$80.

It’s a strange new world.

HenryJ
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Dec 25th, 2017 06:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How often does she rosin the bow?

I have a grandson who began playing the violin about 3 months ago and is progressing quite well.

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Dec 25th, 2017 06:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm thinking of going down a gauge on the strings for my piano.

:o)

Leftee
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Dec 25th, 2017 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Rosin: Once before a performance. Not every time for practice.

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Dec 25th, 2017 07:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ok thanks. I was wondering. When my grandson rosins his bow his tone improves tremendously.

Achase4u

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Dec 25th, 2017 09:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It is an interesting world indeed. "Hope you didn't pay very much for that violin" "why?"

"Cuz they ain't put no frets on it"


My grandmother attended Oberland on violin for two years in the 40s. She's 91 now and still has the violin she got as a child. It was in rough shape but made by an apprentice of Stradivarius. It's valued in the tens of thousands, and the bow was one of the last made by two brothers in england and is valued in the thousands.



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Dec 28th, 2017 05:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My wife is a violinist who has not touched one in many years. Her Lanini resides under the bed. She was quite skilled, First Chair/Concert Master at her University.

I collected and hustled violins and bows from 1982-1989.

Bows are often worth more than violins.

I am not surprised non players often talk about instruments in dollars, not tone and playability.

My grandson plays viola.. quite accomplished.. he also plays guitar to include a Telecaster (American) triburst maple gifted from me.

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Dec 28th, 2017 06:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The one violinist I know plays a 5 string. The fifth string is a low C.

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Dec 28th, 2017 06:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We have two violas from my two sons' pre-college orchestra experiences, and two inherited violins....one with the original rattlesnake rattles in it.

They've beckoned to me for years, but I've never mastered even simple bowing. No problem on the left hand, and I can pluck, but bowing requires some sort of special energy wave.

Gaukdawg

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Dec 28th, 2017 06:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a very old one that was gifted to me by my Uncle. It was traded for from gypsy's that needed food traveling west about 1900. My great great Grandfather played it at dances. It needs restored and I plan on having it done. My wife played in high school and we still have her instrument.

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Dec 29th, 2017 04:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Marg owns five violins.(that I know of)
Two have pickups for loud environments.
One is for string quartet stuff.
One is for Celtic and Bluegrass stuff.
One is for teaching.

Don't get me started on her keyboard inventory.

Leftee
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Dec 29th, 2017 07:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I am not surprised non players often talk about instruments in dollars, not tone and playability."

True!

We recently went through the purchase process with Miss Leftee. She's in 9th grade and also plays. She really dug in and started practicing a lot once HS started this year. And her progress has been meteoric! So, a nice violin was purchased and the rental was turned in. She auditioned a few before finding the winner. And now we're bow shopping. Mrs. Leftee's bow needs to be rehaired, but she's debating having that done and passing that bow on to youngun' and buying a new bow for herself.

Mrs. Leftee is a very accomplished violinist.

She's hot too.

Just sayin'.

jefe46
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Dec 29th, 2017 12:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have tried to talk my wife into playing again, she won't.

I asked if she would teach me to play.. without hesitation she said.. " you're too old " !!!

She suggests that I instead go back to playing mandolin.

Leftee
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Jan 6th, 2018 10:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just now $2000+ in bows was delivered for audition.

That would be 4 bows.

And my wife had her bow rehaired earlier this week. So there are 5 bows in play.

I'm finding this a fascinating world.

jefe46
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Jan 6th, 2018 04:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When I was hustling violins and bows I came across an extraordinary French bow which I gifted to my wife. Yes it has a dollar value.. in excess of $3000. It is now her back up bow, her other being a bit better, older and of higher value. I got it in a purchase of 8 violins, bows and cases.

It is not uncommon to pay $5000 plus for a new bow. "Vintage French and German bows go for considerably more.

This because they are difficult to make and the scarcity of pernambuco which is on the CITES list.

I hustled pernambuco (the raw wood in blanks) for about 5 years.. mostly in the Carter years just to stay afloat.



Leftee
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Jan 6th, 2018 04:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pernambuco bows are, indeed, harder to come buy these days.

She ordered two carbon fiber bows to try. Those are out.

These days there three ranges (beginner, intermediate and advanced) bows. She picked some from the low end of the advanced.

jefe46
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Jan 6th, 2018 05:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My wife has found excellent bows in the lower price range.

Price is not always an indicator of quality or playability.

She does not like carbon fiber bows.

A good bow maker/repairmen can often give new life to an otherwise ordinary bow.

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Jan 7th, 2018 04:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Our drummer is a Doctor of Music and trained on the viola. We have rehearsed a couple of jazz standards to feature him and it sounds great, with our keyboard player on brushes, but so far he`s nervous of playing the viola at gigs. The main reason is the high value, including sentimental value, of the instrument. He`s talking about a cheaper electric viola as an alternative.

Leftee
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Jan 7th, 2018 04:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I get that. Fine stringed instruments are somewhat fragile.

Mrs. Leftee is taking her favorite bow of this lot to play in orchestra at church this morning. I suspect this will help seal the deal. Or she will continue looking.

It’s interesting that her violin is German and 40+ years old. Her favorite bow from this lot is also German.

jefe46
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Jan 7th, 2018 12:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My grandson plays viola.

His latest was a score from a clueless pawn shop.

It was made right after WWII from very fine old wood and pre war craftsmanship, by hand all the way.

It was built in one of the small production shops.

The pawn shop thought it was a large , cheap cheap violin.

I spotted it on the wall the minute I went in.

They had the other violins (true 4/4 violins) marked as 3/4. They wanted $300 with case and bow. Case was excellent, bow modest worth maybe $200. I gave them a sob story about my grandson playing a POS school quality rental.. and so on.

Bought it for $225. After new strings, complete German Mensur setup, re carving and fitting the bridge and restting the sound post, Voila ! Viola !

In terms of actual cash value, probably $800 to a Grand for a total investment of $400.

They are out there if you look.

For straight ahead by the book excellence in modestly priced instuments, pre mass produced garbage .. German is your best bet.

Yes, I am aware of the Chinese instruments.. what's missing ? A violin culture infused into the instruments.

Most of their wood is black market, illegally harvested from Tibetan Nat'l forests. This is a well known "secret". And ignored by the Chinese government because, after-all, it is only Tibet.






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