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Pinetree
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Dec 3rd, 2017 03:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

Dude had "Do NOT Resuscitate" tattooed across his chest, ant yet the doctors stood around going "hmmm..."


Linkage

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Dec 3rd, 2017 03:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

"But in his case, this Do Not Resuscitate tattoo made us think that he might really want not to be resuscitated."

D U H !!


Jeez, what idiots.

BlondeStrat
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Dec 3rd, 2017 04:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

Maybe it should have been signed and notarized?

I get the obvious thinking there, but is a tattoo a legal document?

Is it something the surviving family will be willing to accept ... after the fact of his death? The surviving Family and the Courts are the ones the doctors would need to fear.

SS2

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Dec 3rd, 2017 04:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

Doesn't say "Maybe Resuscitate"... sure looks like a plain wish to me.

Taildragger
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Dec 3rd, 2017 04:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm no lawyer, but I'll hazard a guess that a tattoo doesn't constitute a legal document. And in our litigious society, that makes a difference.

Te 52

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Dec 3rd, 2017 04:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

"What, that tattoo? Pfft -- got that one night when I was stoned. Hell, no, I don't really mean it, but I'm too cheap to get it removed."

jefe46
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Dec 3rd, 2017 04:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

Was the tattoo in black or blue ink ?

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 06:32 PM, Dec 3rd, 2017)

littleuch
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Dec 3rd, 2017 04:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, I can see the doctor's dilemma. If there are standards and requirements to a written DNR then I can see this being an invalid method of expressing it.

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Dec 3rd, 2017 05:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

What if it was tattooed by a lawyer, or would it have to be, to be legal.

I’m thinking it’s a valid statement of his wishes,

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Dec 3rd, 2017 05:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

“I'm no lawyer, but I'll hazard a guess that a tattoo doesn't constitute a legal document. And in our litigious society, that makes a difference. “

Absolutely correct. That’s not good enough, just like an unsigned piece of paper that said “Do Not Resuscitate” would be no good. Moreover, the formalities and it being unsigned held aside, how could you ever know if that was STILL his wishes? What if he had changed his mind but hadn’t yet been back to the tattoo artist? What if he was a big fan of a band called Do Not Resuscitate and it was never his actual wishes at all!

No doctor should follow tattooed instructions and honestly, if that was the ONLY way the guy expressed his wish, that was incredibly dumb.



larryguitar19
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Dec 3rd, 2017 07:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

It's a non issue. A DNR regardless of the formalities is ultimately only an expression of wishes. It is not binding on the doctors. In the end the hospitals and doctors are gonna do whatever they think is best and they will probably resuscitate you if it saves your life but not if it only returns you to a vegetative state.

That's what that's all about. The ethical dilemma arises when the doctors are uncertain about the prognosis.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 11:09 PM, Dec 3rd, 2017)

Jake
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Dec 4th, 2017 06:22 AM   Edit   Profile  

I tend to think it may have been meant as a provocative comment and had nothing to do with his wishes on the subject.

Leftee
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Dec 4th, 2017 06:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

"I tend to think it may have been meant as a provocative comment and had nothing to do with his wishes on the subject."

As is the case with so many tattoos. Who knows for sure? Only the unconscious guy.

Jake
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Dec 4th, 2017 06:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

"As is the case with so many tattoos."

Especially the ones on the forehead.

Leftee
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Dec 4th, 2017 06:44 AM   Edit   Profile  

I was going to rent my fivehead out as a billboard.

Leftee
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Dec 4th, 2017 06:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

Also my band name. Leftee and the Fiveheads.

mfitz804
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Dec 4th, 2017 06:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

Now if you want to be hardcore and tattoo the entire DNR document on your back and sign it and have two witnesses, maybe that they could honor!!

Gato
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Dec 4th, 2017 08:56 AM   Edit   Profile  

So .... the Last Will and Testament I have tattooed on my butt cheeks ... I need a Notary stamp on there as well?

Leftee
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Dec 4th, 2017 08:59 AM   Edit   Profile  

... and the required signatures.

You butt must be signed.

FlyonNylon
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Dec 4th, 2017 09:17 AM   Edit   Profile  

ER doc here..

not a legally binding document and absolutely likely for the doc/hospital to get sued by family thousands of miles away for failing to intervene.

I've seen this before, most notably in a young trauma patient.

There were probably 20 family members causing a ruckus in the lobby who would've sued for millions and shut the whole thing down if we hadn't worked on him..

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