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5Strats
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Nov 29th, 2017 05:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

Long time Today Show putz deluxe Matt Lauer has been fired for sexual misconduct.

I saw him on a plane once sitting in 1st class. He's a little weasel of a guy.



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Nov 29th, 2017 05:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think the media might save space by publishing the names of celebs and politicos who have NOT been accused of sexual misconduct.

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Nov 29th, 2017 06:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

Guys that are proven to be predators need to be gone, but I’m a little concerned due process is being ignored in a lot of these cases. Accused seems to equal guilty.

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Nov 29th, 2017 06:32 AM   Edit   Profile  

I worry some about the lack of due process. However, being fired from your job for a moral failure is not the same as a criminal prosecution, where there is due process. It seems that most of these guys are admitting discretions. I think their employers have a right to fire them, as they are damaging their employers' brand.

It does surprise me how seemingly pervasive sexual harassment appears to be. Even as a young kid in the 50's and 60's, I was taught 3 things: 1) Respect everyone and treat them as you would like to be treated. 2) Your reputation is your most important asset. 3) The penalties for doing the wrong thing are not worth it.

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Nov 29th, 2017 06:39 AM   Edit   Profile  

"I’m a little concerned due process is being ignored in a lot of these cases. Accused seems to equal guilty."

agreed...and when I mention this sort of thing to female's that I know, friends, family, they get pissy....

I tell them that if the situation was reversed and it was men making the accusations they just laugh....



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Nov 29th, 2017 06:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

This couldn't happen to a nicer bag of crap -- but I agree with HD.

In this case, I'm sure ML has the resources to fight back if the allegations are false.

For the rest of us it seems all you have to do is tick off the office mental case and the next thing you know you are getting a call from HR.

I'm glad I work from home and my nearest female coworker is 900 miles away.

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

I notice too it's always men. Something up with that. :)

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

“It does surprise me how seemingly pervasive sexual harassment appears to be. Even as a young kid in the 50's and 60's, I was taught 3 things: 1) Respect everyone and treat them as you would like to be treated. 2) Your reputation is your most important asset. 3) The penalties for doing the wrong thing are not worth it. ”

You aren’t famous and have t developed the sense of absolute entitlement that some celebrities have. Like they can do whatever they want and get whatever they want because of who they are. There’s circles where being Matt Lauer is a big deal, seems like it’s easy to let that go to your head.

(This message was last edited by mfitz804 at 09:07 AM, Nov 29th, 2017)

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:14 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think with the "powerful" (celebrity and wealth) there's a sort of celebration of oneself by demonstrating how they're above the norm when it comes to behavior. Not only do they have skeletons in their closet, they like to pull them out and rattle the bones as part of honoring themselves.

That said, I'm all too familiar with the guilty by accusation thing. A friend/former co-worker lived that nightmare and spent 3 years in jail before a judge overturned the verdict. It's like it never happened, except for losing job, home, friends and 3 years of his life.

And here we thought it'd all end with Bill O'Reilly....:-p



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Nov 29th, 2017 07:17 AM   Edit   Profile  

I believe that some of these firings are because the accusations are known to be true within.

Some of the accusations I've read about states that complaints were made in the past and nothing was ever done.

So now that truths will surface, corporate is dumping the people as to seem they don't stand for it, when in fact they did nothing to stop it in the past.


The disclaimer:
If the stories I read are even true at all.

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:19 AM   Edit   Profile  

That’s the flip side; it seems all that needs to happen is an accusation and automatically everyone thinks it’s true. Anyone with any kind of an agenda could utilize that to mess with someone.

Not saying that happened with Lauer or anyone, but the potential exists.

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

One also would think that any indiscretion or violation of one's rights or civil laws that is serious enough to cause all this commotion would be serious enough to be brought up at the time of occurrence or at least in a reasonable amount of time....but 10, 15, 20, 30 years and more?

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:44 AM   Edit   Profile  

Through the course of my lifetime the *majority* of females that I've had close friendships or relationships with have confided in me that they were at some time in their life the victim of sexual assault. I have no reason not to believe them.

I think "it" has been historically rampant and a culturally protected thing. If you look at it from the musician side, how many of our hero's groupie conquests were actually assault, and how many of those assaults were on minors. Until not that long ago, this was a thing to brag about in their autobiographies. Things have changed, and unfortunately gents, all of us with the swinging apparatus are now in season.

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

>>["it seems all that needs to happen is an accusation and automatically everyone thinks it’s true."]

In the past; some of these men have had lives ruined, no more family, job, savings, house, friends, etc...

Was finally proven innocent and had to start over somewhere else.

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Nov 29th, 2017 08:04 AM   Edit   Profile  

mfitz-- what you wrote reminds me of the joke/story of the lady and the game warden.


A couple went on vacation to a resort up north. The husband liked to fish, and the wife liked to read.
One morning the husband came back from fishing after getting up really early that morning and took a nap.
While he slept, the wife decided to take the boat out.
She was not familiar with the lake, so she rowed out and anchored the boat, and started reading her book.

Along comes the Game Warden in his boat, pulls up alongside the woman's boat and asks her what she's doing?
She says, "Reading my book."

The Game Warden tells her she is in a restricted fishing area. She explains that she's not fishing.

To which he replied, "But you have all this equipment. I will have to take you in and write you up!"

Angry that the warden was being so unreasonable, the lady told the warden, "If you do that, I will charge you with rape."

The warden, shocked by her statement, replied, "But I didn't even touch you."
To which the lady replied, "Yeah, but you have all the equipment!"


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Nov 29th, 2017 08:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

Good points all, leading back to the truism about the corrupting nature of power.

And unfortunately, the most power usually has been in the hands of "successful" white males, who have predictably failed to resist its corrupting influence.

And as Shakespeare said, the truth will out.




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Nov 29th, 2017 08:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

Ol' Matt is providing Al Franken a brief respite from all the fun he's been having lately.

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Nov 29th, 2017 08:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

Allegation = condemnation, destruction of reputation, loss of job etc. all without a trial or conviction.


It is a fact there is a gender bias .. against men.


Reverse the rolls.. .. no condemnation, no loss of reputation or job.

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GospelBilly!
Nov 29th, 2017 08:50 AM   Edit   Profile  

NOTE - I read that he was fired for sexual misconduct with an NBC employee at the RIO OLYMPICS.

That's way before Wiensteinarama started and appears to have been fully vetted by the NBC brass. Due process is for courts of law.

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Nov 29th, 2017 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

If you have a wife/girlfriend who works you've probably heard similar stories about comments, looks, quid-pro-quo proposals and similar BS, usually done in situations with no witnesses and no recourse. All these creeps deserve whatever humiliation and ruin they get. In many of these cases, especially in big corporations, the "Human Resources" department is usually a sham set up to protect the powerful-usually men- and fire the powerless -usually women- thus the unwillingness to make complaints.

I know a few people at work who have been walking a fine line over the years with their inappropriate comments. They're used to getting away with it, so they are oblivious to how things have changed. When they do fall, I'll be quietly applauding.

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