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Billy the Kidder

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True wisdom is knowin what to overloook.
Nov 27th, 2017 07:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of my favorite bands back in my younger days. In regular rotation on my iPod today. Good driving music. He seemed “edgier” than the other SF players. How I hate myself for using that word.

(This message was last edited by Billy the Kidder at 09:16 PM, Nov 27th, 2017)

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 27th, 2017 09:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A clam here and there, but also...

...some "moments" as well:

Rick Knight
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St Peters, MO USA

Yeah, that must've been some other body
Nov 28th, 2017 06:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm glad you brought this up, Taildragger. I told someone just a few days ago that he is my favorite guitarist among the SF bands of that era.

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Nov 28th, 2017 07:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Taildragger posted,

"I like the rapid punch of solid state for the bottom, and the rodent gnawing distortion of the tubes on top"

to clarify...

"To create his distinctive guitar sound, Cipollina developed a one-of-a-kind amplifier stack. His Gibson SG guitars had two pickups, one for bass and one for treble. The bass pickup fed into two Standel bass amps on the bottom of the stack, each equipped with two 15-inch speakers. The treble pickups fed two Fender amps: a Fender Twin Reverb and a Fender Dual Showman that drove six Wurlitzer horns." (Wikipedia)

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 28th, 2017 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

(See PIC of rig posted above as described by prof.)

champster
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Nov 28th, 2017 08:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Huge fan from day 1. Still listen to Quicksilver on a regular basis.

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GospelBilly!
Nov 28th, 2017 08:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I still can't "hear" what the big deal is with his playing, sorry.

It wouldn't be the 1st time there was well known guitarist whose talent I just didn't get.

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North Gnarlyington

Nov 28th, 2017 09:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^ There's a nostalgia factor at play, but as I mentioned above, I think they were never well recorded. I put on "Shady Grove" and it seems to be very mushy and poorly EQd. The drums are a mess and lost, murked up with the lost bass. Seems to be a lot of too hot recording, distortion and scratchiness. Could be poor isolation when recording.

(This message was last edited by professor at 11:05 AM, Nov 28th, 2017)

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GospelBilly!
Nov 28th, 2017 09:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I do like some QMS songs, but I've never taken note of the guitar playing as being anything out of the ordinary (which is not a problem when it comes to music).

Taildragger
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Nov 28th, 2017 02:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"There's a nostalgia factor at play"

Agreed: they were one of the first "psychedelic" bands I ever saw live (about 1967, before Jim Murray departed). I don't think they'd even recorded their debut album yet, because I had never heard of them before. I really associate their playing with personal memories I have of those times.

Another so-called "psychedelic" guitar player was James Gurly of Big Brother, but I always found his playing to be meandering, sloppy, cacophonous and kind of pointless. By comparison, Cipollina's technique and phrasing struck me as tasteful, nuanced, succinct and definitely more "musical", especially when it comes to his studio output.

But, with a couple of exceptions, I've never "gotten" all the hooplah about Janis Joplin, so maybe Gurly's playing just pushed me over the edge about something I already didn't much care for.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.



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Nov 28th, 2017 03:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Standing in from of John's rig before we were to perform at the RRHOF

Mark and Jeff in front of John's amp and speakers 2009

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larryguitar
Nov 28th, 2017 05:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was in high school when the QSMS Happy Trails album came out. It was a life changing event.

Cippolina has been a lifelong guitar hero to me.

Anybody who wants to dog his playing can step out back with me and we'll discuss it further.

Taildragger
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Nov 28th, 2017 06:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dang! Sounds like somebody's cruisin' for a Bigsby bruisin'!

;-)

(This message was last edited by Taildragger at 08:38 PM, Nov 28th, 2017)

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but sumpter mule and ferrier.
Nov 28th, 2017 10:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

His treatment of Pride of Man really lit it up.

The odd lyrics on that one still speak for the contemporary landscape.

Taildragger
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Nov 29th, 2017 10:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There are a couple of Quicksilver tracks on this soundtrack LP that some of you may not have heard. Cipollina's playing on "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You" (studio version) is pretty cool. I prefer this QMS version to both the Joan Baez and Zepp versions. The song was originally written by Anne Bredon (then known as Anne Johannsen) in the late 1950s. "Codine" is much less memorable, IMO.

Stupid movie, BTW.

I think this was on iTunes at one time, but it seems to have disappeared from there. I found the LP for 50¢ in a bargain bin back in the 1970s.

"Revolution"

(This message was last edited by Taildragger at 12:59 PM, Dec 4th, 2017)

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stl80
Nov 30th, 2017 08:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pride of Man is one of my favorites along with every other cut on that album. I never saw QMS but I saw Dinosaurs a couple of times at a tavern (Parker's) here in Seattle. Great stuff. Thanks for the YT stuff. I see a YT wormhole in my future.
Jim

Taildragger
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Nov 30th, 2017 10:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BTW: here is a track list for the "Revolution" LP, if anyone is interested. IMO, "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You" and "Mercury Blues" are the highlights and make it worth getting hold of if you're into this kind of music and happen to run across it at a reasonable price.

I like this early version of Mercury Blues better than the later recording of same that I've heard by Miller, even though the sound is a bit tinny on the early one. Has the same vibe as his "Children of the Future" and "Sailor" albums, recorded when Boz Scaggs was still part of the lineup.

"Babe..." would've fit perfectly on the eponymous Quicksilver debut album. A couple of live versions are kicking around, but this one is apparently mired in some sort of copyright dispute, so appears to be currently unavailable. I like it much better than the live tracks.

Mother Earth was a band fronted by female vocalist Tracy Nelson. IMHO, she totally smoked Janis Joplin and is still active to this day as far as I know.

"Revolution" tracks:

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Dec 2nd, 2017 10:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd say that Quicksilver's reworking of the song yielded a SUBSTANTIAL improvement.

"Pride of Man" (the original):

Thoughtfree

Minneapolis

Dec 3rd, 2017 07:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Cipollina was really great, and nobody followed and copied his unique guitar style, to my knowledge.

Back in the day, I thought that his exotically customized Gibson SG, with the multiple batwing pickguards and Mercury-dime knobs, was the hippest thing ever. Still do.

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About as ordinary as you can get.
Dec 4th, 2017 08:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I didn't even recognize the name but I remember my brother listening to QMS years ago. If my life depended on it, I couldn't name you a single song they did. At least I don't recognize their music.

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