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Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 27th, 2017 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No, not the foo-foo coffee drink at Starbucks: the guitar player from Quicksilver Messenger Service.

I think he was one of the more "original" guitar players to come out of the mid-60s SF "scene". Probably partly due to his playing mostly with thumb and finger picks rather than a flat pick. Have always found his sense of dynamics and tasteful use of the talent lever and volume swells to be enjoyable.

In at least the first two clips, he's playing a Carvin DC-150, which evidently replaced his beloved Gibby SGs at some point.

Pardon the terrible mix in this clip and the next one: the vocal and other instruments are largely overpowered by JC's playing, but that's mostly what I wanted to hear anyways. Cameraman (not to mention the entire audience) appears to be totally stoned out of his gourd (par for the times).




Driven hard and put up wet:

(This message was last edited by Taildragger at 06:13 PM, Nov 27th, 2017)

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 27th, 2017 03:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

'Nuther...



...one:

Taildragger
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Nov 27th, 2017 03:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And a studio...

...clip:

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 27th, 2017 04:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I like the rapid punch of solid state for the bottom, and the rodent gnawing distortion of the tubes on top"

---John Cipollina

One of his rigs:

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larryguitar
Nov 27th, 2017 04:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I am a huge fan. Until now I thought I was alone. I'm happy to know there are others.

SS2

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Nov 27th, 2017 04:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mention Quicksilver and this immediately comes to my mind....

External link

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 27th, 2017 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And, least we neglect their...

...signature tune:

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Nov 27th, 2017 05:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

John Cipollina has always been one of my favorites. A real Bigsby master IMO- love that quiver he always adds.

BTW I think all QSMS missed being properly recorded.

Taildragger
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Nov 27th, 2017 05:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think that as with many other bands, some of the members' drug issues also kept them from reaching their full potential. Didn't Freiberg, Valenti and Duncan all spend time in the slammer on posession and/or abuse charges?


Billy the Kidder

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Nov 27th, 2017 07:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of my favorite bands back in my younger days. In regular rotation on my iPod today. Good driving music. He seemed “edgier” than the other SF players. How I hate myself for using that word.

(This message was last edited by Billy the Kidder at 09:16 PM, Nov 27th, 2017)

Taildragger
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Nov 27th, 2017 09:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A clam here and there, but also...

...some "moments" as well:

Rick Knight
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Yeah, that must've been some other body
Nov 28th, 2017 06:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm glad you brought this up, Taildragger. I told someone just a few days ago that he is my favorite guitarist among the SF bands of that era.

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Nov 28th, 2017 07:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Taildragger posted,

"I like the rapid punch of solid state for the bottom, and the rodent gnawing distortion of the tubes on top"

to clarify...

"To create his distinctive guitar sound, Cipollina developed a one-of-a-kind amplifier stack. His Gibson SG guitars had two pickups, one for bass and one for treble. The bass pickup fed into two Standel bass amps on the bottom of the stack, each equipped with two 15-inch speakers. The treble pickups fed two Fender amps: a Fender Twin Reverb and a Fender Dual Showman that drove six Wurlitzer horns." (Wikipedia)

Taildragger
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an acquired taste some may never acquire
Nov 28th, 2017 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

(See PIC of rig posted above as described by prof.)

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Nov 28th, 2017 08:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Huge fan from day 1. Still listen to Quicksilver on a regular basis.

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GospelBilly!
Nov 28th, 2017 08:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I still can't "hear" what the big deal is with his playing, sorry.

It wouldn't be the 1st time there was well known guitarist whose talent I just didn't get.

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North Gnarlyington

Nov 28th, 2017 09:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^ There's a nostalgia factor at play, but as I mentioned above, I think they were never well recorded. I put on "Shady Grove" and it seems to be very mushy and poorly EQd. The drums are a mess and lost, murked up with the lost bass. Seems to be a lot of too hot recording, distortion and scratchiness. Could be poor isolation when recording.

(This message was last edited by professor at 11:05 AM, Nov 28th, 2017)

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GospelBilly!
Nov 28th, 2017 09:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I do like some QMS songs, but I've never taken note of the guitar playing as being anything out of the ordinary (which is not a problem when it comes to music).

Taildragger
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Nov 28th, 2017 02:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"There's a nostalgia factor at play"

Agreed: they were one of the first "psychedelic" bands I ever saw live (about 1967, before Jim Murray departed). I don't think they'd even recorded their debut album yet, because I had never heard of them before. I really associate their playing with personal memories I have of those times.

Another so-called "psychedelic" guitar player was James Gurly of Big Brother, but I always found his playing to be meandering, sloppy, cacophonous and kind of pointless. By comparison, Cipollina's technique and phrasing struck me as tasteful, nuanced, succinct and definitely more "musical", especially when it comes to his studio output.

But, with a couple of exceptions, I've never "gotten" all the hooplah about Janis Joplin, so maybe Gurly's playing just pushed me over the edge about something I already didn't much care for.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.



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Nov 28th, 2017 03:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Standing in from of John's rig before we were to perform at the RRHOF

Mark and Jeff in front of John's amp and speakers 2009

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