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EA6B

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Brenden, Baby P, Karley & untold others!
Nov 27th, 2017 11:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There is a risk involved. I lost a friend to a botched Colonoscopy. Like all tests, it's up to the individual to weigh the risks and make an informed decision.

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Nov 27th, 2017 11:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry for your loss. Being 55 this year, I had a routine Flexible Sigmoidoscopy which was easy enough. Yes, don't put these things off.

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Nov 27th, 2017 11:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

During my annual checkups, my doctor kept trying to get me to schedule one. I kept putting him off, saying "Maybe next year."
When I hit 55, he wouldn't take no for an answer.
Had the colonoscopy followed by surgery to remove about 10 inches of my colon a couple of months later. No cancer, but large, flat polyps that most likely would have turned cancerous at some point.
His insistence probably saved my life and I later told him so.
Had I had it done several years prior, the surgery may not have been necessary.
The prep is the worst part. Buy a couple of magazines and spend a day at home, off work, and just accept the "cleanout" for what it is.
The procedure is nothing -- put on a hospital gown, go to sleep, wake up and get dressed. Then treat yourself to your favorite meal.
If you haven't had one yet, get it done.






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Nov 27th, 2017 01:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry to hear that 6L6, that is indeed a rough way to pass from this life.

I just had my 10th colonoscopy last month as I have been on a 3 year rotation after having a small focus of cancer found in a sessile (flat) polyp back in 2001. I too had to have about 12 inches of colon removed (surgical margin) in an open procedure due to that little bugger. Left me with both a ventral hernia I just had repaired in August, and a Diastasis Recti that I just have to live with. Fortunately, the ventral hernia mesh surgery helped to flatten that belly bulge cause by the diastasis.

Anyway, since the surgery, just more benign polyps each time I have a colonoscopy. This last time though I only had a couple and my gastro doc loosened up the interval to 5 years. Good O !

My primary care doctor won't do PSA or DRE's unless you have "specific symptoms", she says they don't do screening exams for prostate cancer anymore. I've even asked about it...she asks me a dozen questions and based on my answers says "no you don't need it and don't want it". :)

I expect to turn 70 next month...

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Nov 27th, 2017 03:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had a colonoscopy 15 years ago, nothing found, then I had another about 5 years later and a couple of polyps were removed. The polyps were benign, but the gastroenterologist told me that they probably would have become cancerous in 5 years if ignored. I've had a few more since then and the worst part is the prep, as has been said. (Drinking laxative, nothing to eat, and watching Burger King or KFC commercial every 10 minutes. No fun.) But, it's a small price to pay.
My daughter had about 20" of her intestine/colon removed back in June, she had cancer. She's diabetic and has blood test every 3 months and the 1 test found her anemic and the resulting colonoscopy probably saved her life: she's just 40, BTW. It's never too early to have a colonoscopy, IMO.

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Nov 27th, 2017 04:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So sorry to hear that, 6L6. Your advice is worth gold.


Back in 2004 I had the right side o my large intestine removed because of a large tumor behind my liver. Had a colonoscopy not detected that, I would probably be dead now.

I'm 57 and enjoying my life more right now that any other point in time.

Getting old ain't for wussies--but there is a lot to be said for doing the medical tests and monitoring one's health.



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Nov 27th, 2017 07:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"My primary care doctor won't do PSA or DRE's unless you have "specific symptoms",..."

That's scary. You're on Medicare - just make an exam appt. with a urologist; no referral needed.

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Nov 27th, 2017 08:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Had my last one in 2014, due for another in 2 years.....

willie
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Nov 28th, 2017 05:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

009...not without specific symptoms, otherwise you might as well get the other 250 odd screening tests...most of which don't result unnecessary procedures than can really mess you up. I do have a urologist btw and he also concurs with the new protocol. He has often said you might die with prostate cancer but not likely because of it unless you ignore the symptoms.

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Nov 28th, 2017 07:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, at age 70, I can see the reluctance to screen—let alone treat—(for) prostrate cancer. I’ve had PSA lab tests regularly, and when my PSA went above 4.0 ng/mL at age 65 (no symptoms) I investigated to determine the cause. This was not a headlong rush to any unnecessary procedure. My intent was to make an informed decision, which would be impossible without further investigation. Long story short, I did indeed have prostate cancer (1.2 cm lesion with slight marginal involvement), and opted for a robotic assisted laparoscopic prostatectomy (RALP). I continue to track my PSA level; it’s not 0.00, and I’m warry.

When the medical community saw a rise in prostate cancer deaths after implementing those “don’t worry, be happy” PSA screening guidelines, they started backpedaling on that stance.

In my case, there were no unnecessary procedures. The choices were all mine, and it is the patient who should make those decisions — not the physician, who should only be advising/informing.

Anyway, I’m glad you’re OK.

(This message was last edited by 009 at 09:50 AM, Nov 28th, 2017)

SS2

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Nov 28th, 2017 08:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Cancer can be well established before it gives physical symptoms of being there... 2x experience.


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Nov 28th, 2017 08:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Problem appears to be that even with a confirmed prostatic cancer, it isn't necessarily highly invasive or deadly. There is currently a great deal of ambiguity in much of the medical community as to the proper way to test, confirm, treat or not treat prostate cancers. They are not all the same. Much like simply having colon polyps does not mean they will ever become cancerous. Benign polyps do not become cancerous, while adenomatous polyps do have the propensity to become cancerous.

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Nov 28th, 2017 09:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

With cancer being as fickle / unpredictable as it is, my personal approach is to address it aggressively. Once a localized tumor metastasizes, it's pretty much "game over."

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Nov 28th, 2017 09:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I get one every 5 years, even though I loathe the prep and the procedure (at least the parts when you're conscious).

My father beat colon cancer when he was 80. He's 89 now.

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Nov 29th, 2017 03:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Got a colonoscopy scheduled for the 22nd of this month. My 3rd (I'm 63).
That's interesting about the DRE. ust had 1 3 months agom when I asked about a PSA.

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Nov 29th, 2017 05:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Lets start a petition to bring back Fleets Phosphorus soda.

Two table spoons and you are cleaned out.

The anorexic model type females killed that off.

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Nov 29th, 2017 07:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I always have a laff when I go for the colonoscopy. You should try it:

As the anesthesiologist starts the Versed (or their cocktail of choice) in your IV, exclaim "Wake me up when we get to Cleveland." The med crew will laugh at that. But here's the fun part--when they bring you out, shake off the mental cobwebs and ask, "Are we in Cleveland already?" That usually catches 'em off guard.

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Nov 29th, 2017 08:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

At the suggestion of my doctor. At age 48 (since I was approaching 50) I had a colonoscopy done. A malignant polyp was found. I had surgery. I've had many colonoscopies since and have been clear of any problems. I'll be 65 next week.

I feel lucky.


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Dec 1st, 2017 09:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" I continue to track my PSA level; it’s not 0.00, and I’m warry."

I don't think the level has to read "0.00".
I don't recall the threshold, but I thought that as long as you're below that, you're "ok"....not that the PSA is particularly accurate, just sayin'.

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Dec 1st, 2017 02:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^ ^ ^ Re: 0.00 ng/mL

I was just being simplistic. More often than not there will be detectible PSA, with roughly a third of surgically treated men having a recurrence of their prostate cancer. The threshold for "biochemical recurrence (BCR)" is 0.2-0.4 ng/ml, with 0.2 being the more recently recognized value. At this point there may or not be metastases, but you're on your way.

Recently there is interest in establishing not simply an indicative PSA value for BCR, but a predictive value for BCR that would trigger possible treatment considerations/options earlier than 0.2. With the advent of ultrasensitive PSA lab testing, studies have demonstrated the predictive value of BCR with a much lower PSA value, which seems to be somewhere around 0.04 ng/ml, which is where I happen to be (but having risen from 0.02 the previous year; hence my wariness). It's not so much a consistent value, but the rising values that are of concern.

I'm not worried or fretting about this every day, but if I'm on my way to cancer death, I'd rather try to catch it and treat it early before metastasis (i.e., a potential cure). Periodic lab tests are prudent. Writhing in in bed with unmanageable bone cancer pain (while my oncologist is on his back patio sipping a gin & tonic) is not my idea of a good... well, anything.

Here's a pretty good overview lay article if you're interested:

Prostate cancer recurrence

(This message was last edited by 009 at 04:45 PM, Dec 1st, 2017)

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