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FDP Forum / Moe's Tavern (_8^(I) / Deer season can be a dangerous time of year. Caution advised.

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BlondeStrat
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Nov 26th, 2017 05:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

MJB, and the guy shot a kid.

What exactly is your point?

That is an excuse for shooting in a direction where you know there are people? Are we all not aware that once lead leaves the barrel we no longer control it?

I would offer that at the mentioned distances we are talking about very common and expected deflection angles.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 07:17 PM, Nov 26th, 2017)

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Nov 26th, 2017 05:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

Evidently not.




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Nov 26th, 2017 06:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

My point is that it had to be a ricochet. 15 feet above ground, down to a deer on the ground, 150 yards away and then 15 feet up again.

I would wager that most deer are shot by hunters standing on the ground. Being in a tree stand and shooting DOWN (target = deer, behind target= earth) is probably as safe as it gets. He knew his target (deer) and he knew what was behind it (the ground).

I'll back out of this now, maybe RDR can shed more light on this though he has already stated that all they can figure is it was a ricochet off a bone which is pretty bizarre.

(This message was last edited by MJB at 08:02 PM, Nov 26th, 2017)

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Nov 26th, 2017 06:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

Guys, this isn't going to settle anything. Just get the thread locked.

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Nov 26th, 2017 06:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

(quote from above)

"Just the day after some dufus got arrested for shooting at a brown pickup that he thought was a deer. Sheesh."


Probably was a Dodge Ram.

Leftee
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Nov 26th, 2017 06:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

That’s why my ram is red.

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Nov 26th, 2017 06:20 PM   Edit   Profile  

MJB, sounds like you almost have it figured in a way that rationalizes it out ... except for the fact that he fired (multiple projectiles) in the direction of other people and hit a kid.

Ricochets count when it comes to shooting people.

Ricochet angles are usually quite shallow and these distances/angles are right in the mix of expected.

It's good that the kid is OK and hopefully folks involved (or reading this thread) can realize that maybe there is more to it than what they thought.

These are stories of things gone wrong that I won't soon forget.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 09:06 PM, Nov 26th, 2017)

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Nov 26th, 2017 06:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Guys, this isn't going to settle anything. Just get the thread locked."

Maybe so.

I think there are some important things being pointed out about "Deer Season & Caution Advised".

We have two people shot that did not need to be shot, I'd say the title and topic is spot on.

And the people involved are folks known to FDP'ers ... as opposed to freak news reports out on the internet

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 08:29 PM, Nov 26th, 2017)

Leftee
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Nov 26th, 2017 06:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

It’s the internet.

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Nov 26th, 2017 09:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Just how safety conscious could this group have been to be shooting in the general direction of a tree stand they know full well to be occupied by other hunters?"

That's why we use treestands, even with shotguns. You shoot down. Into swamp land. First freak occurrence since 1945. Not something to get freaked out about. Or require extensive training. Guess we could stay home and watch TV and be extra safe.
Anyway, many of 85 stands are separated by trees due to curving trails. We may relocate one of these to include more interference.


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Nov 27th, 2017 09:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

RDR, I have no idea how these stands are organized.

I would have to assume that common sense would have them set up in such a way as to allow ample open space for shooting that is not in direct line with another stand. If not then the entire place is flawed and it's designers are pure knuckleheads.

Assuming there is ample open *safe* space to shoot into ... this *experienced* and what you describe as a *safety-conscious* guy still put bagging a deer in superior priority to the safety of folks in line with and within range of his fire.

You and MJB can rationalize this all you want but frankly this is the sort of thinking that gives hunting and gun owners a bad image and obviously gets people hurt.

In my mind this is not one bit better than the guy in the first instance on this thread, maybe even worse since the existing tree stand and occupants are known and a conscious choice was made to shoot in the direction anyway.

I'm out of this one.

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Nov 27th, 2017 12:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

So tragic......and tragically stupid. Both shootings, no excuses.

One of the reasons I quit hunting is stupid people. I've been hit by shotgun pellets and have had 7mm mags wiz by my head.

Anyone who places any blame on the woman who was killed even by suggesting she should have been more careful during hunting season is just plain wrong IMO. Always confirm your target. Always know the range of your weapon. Always know what is down range. If you don't know you don't fire simple as that. This poor kid who was injured, there are no justifications for firing in the direction of another stand......none.

Just tragic.........

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Nov 28th, 2017 08:00 AM   Edit   Profile  

The other day some asshat put a round into a moving, occupied pickup truck claiming he thought it was a deer. Dude. We live in western New York. You want to reinforce the image the downstaters and Albany legislators have of hunters as irresponsible morons who need to be benevolently relieved of their firearms? That's how you do it. Puts people needlessly at risk and makes the rest of us look bad.

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Dec 1st, 2017 03:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Apparently the hunter was charged with 2nd degree manslaughter. He is out on bail and will return to court January 29th. If convicted he could face 15 years behind bars.

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Dec 1st, 2017 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

This may be a stupid and inappropriate comment but what about hunters insurance? Mandatory insurance for those who choose to hunt.

With your hunting license you get let's say a 2 million dollar liability policy in case something goes terribly wrong or you are just plain stupid-dumb as a box of rocks as in this case.

He gets 15 years (unlikely) and her poor family gets the value of a life insurance policy if one is even in place.

Unfortunately we have only money to compensate those who have wronged us. This idiot will most likely not be able to pay the sum awarded in a wrongful death suit if filed (and it should be) A suit of this type would affect the well being of the rest of his family who had nothing to do with pulling this trigger.

(This message was last edited by Hammond101 at 11:55 AM, Dec 1st, 2017)

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Dec 1st, 2017 10:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

“This may be a stupid and inappropriate comment but what about hunters insurance? Mandatory insurance for those who choose to hunt.”

Makes sense in theory, but I can’t imagine insurance companies wanting to underwrite policies for an inherently dangerous activity. Even if they did, the premiums should be astronomical and hunters would be pissed and/or hunting without complying.

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Dec 1st, 2017 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

Would it be astronomically high?

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Dec 1st, 2017 11:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

"I can’t imagine insurance companies wanting to underwrite policies for an inherently dangerous activity."

Millions of people go hunting every year -- only a relative handful of "accidents" occur. I'm sure the insurance companies would love to see their butt buddy statists pass a law to require insurance -- very low risk, very big payday.

Hunting in the U.S. is not inherently dangerous. The way I do it -- it isn't even dangerous for the animals.

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Dec 1st, 2017 12:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

"but I can’t imagine insurance companies wanting to underwrite policies for an inherently dangerous activity."

Right. And they wouldn't be insuring against accidents, they would be insuring against negligence.

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Dec 1st, 2017 01:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

I agree that hunting in itself in not inherently dangerous. This poor woman just took the pups out to potty so to speak. Like I said in my first post, people have shot in my direction and fortunately missed.

Accidents are usually caused by a chain of poor decisions and do happen. In the case of our automobiles for example, speeding, following too closely, distracted driving, poor vehicle condition, age related lack of control and we haven't even touched on alcohol or drugs. Negligence, yeah every day however most folk are "lucky"

(This message was last edited by Hammond101 at 06:57 PM, Dec 1st, 2017)

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