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budg
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Nov 25th, 2017 12:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My SIL works with the woman who got shot by a hunter. Just a tragic end to a perfect storm of ineptitude. Sherman is a small farming community near my mom and dads house. The woods are packed with hunters every year . Sometimes we take for granted how dangerous it can be .

She probably shouldnt have been walking her dogs in a field during deer season , but it was 40 minutes after sunset and he shot at what he "thought was a deer" some 200 yards away ! Probably only made out a sillouette of something and shot . If it would have een a deer he would have had a story to tell his grandkids, but more than likely will have to live with this mistake for the rest of his life . How tragic.

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(This message was last edited by budg at 02:37 PM, Nov 25th, 2017)

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Nov 25th, 2017 12:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"40 minutes after sunset"

This guy should get involuntary manslaughter.

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Nov 25th, 2017 01:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tragic for sure. The idiot neighbor should receive whatever maximums there are. I'm impressed the regs in New York stipulate sunset; here in RI one can hunt up to 30 minutes before sunrise and 30 minutes after sunset. I assume the hand gun didn't have a scope; at least a long gun with one might have allowed the shooter to see what it was he was thinking of firing at.

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Nov 25th, 2017 01:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When I was growing up in north Louisiana, I always stayed out of the woods during deer season. There was a lot peer pressure to shoot a deer; in fact, the tradition was that if you saw a deer and did not kill it, you had to cut off your shirt tail and be disgraced.

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Nov 25th, 2017 01:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I assume the hand gun didn't have a scope;"

It probably did have a scope. Regardless, there is no excuse for this -- I hope the guy pays for this.

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Nov 25th, 2017 03:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hmmm, We always wore an orange or red shirt or vest, in fact were required to. I grew up in heavy deer hunting territory *Utah*.

I don't think I'd be caught walking around in a hunting environment without it during deer season.

No offense, but both parties were somewhat less than brilliant in the incident.

Or so it seems to me.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 05:07 PM, Nov 25th, 2017)

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Nov 25th, 2017 03:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Growing up in that area deer season seems to bring out the worst in some people. Just the day after some dufus got arrested for shooting at a brown pickup that he thought was a deer. Sheesh.

I think alot of non hunters forget its deer season . Forty minutes after sunset I doubt wearing orange could be distinguished.

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Nov 25th, 2017 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There are some pure knuckleheads out there that's for sure.

As for a vest being distinguishable ... in this case I guess that will never be known and any way you slice it, she is dead.

All I can say is if you live in big game hunting country, have an orange vest and wear the thing if you go anywhere near a hunting zone during hunting season.

This is a sad, sad deal. :(

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Nov 25th, 2017 03:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

“It probably did have a scope. Regardless, there is no excuse for this -- I hope the guy pays for this.“

I’m not a hunter,but I’m pretty sure rule #1 if deer hunting is make sure it’s a deer, not a person. You can’t just shoot at random stuff and hope for the best. So I have to wholeheartedly agree.

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Nov 25th, 2017 03:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" “It probably did have a scope. Regardless, there is no excuse for this -- I hope the guy pays for this.“

"I’m not a hunter,but I’m pretty sure rule #1 if deer hunting is make sure it’s a deer, not a person. You can’t just shoot at random stuff and hope for the best. So I have to wholeheartedly agree." "

All I can say is without regard to the shooter being too incompetent to be hunting and violating basic gun safety rules regarding knowing your target.

There is a point where it becomes the little kid in the street lecturing the drive, "if you run over me, it's your fault".

The thread says "Caution Advised". That caution is as I stated. Wear the red vest during hunting season ... no matter if your a hunter or not.

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Nov 25th, 2017 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Manslaughter at least.

"Noun: the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder."

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Nov 25th, 2017 04:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What ever happened to being sure about your target?

So many deer hunters ignore that. Even one is too many.

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Nov 25th, 2017 04:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the problems I have seen growing up is city dwellers who know nothing about hunting actually going big game hunting. As a kid I was taught about guns and hunting by my father who stressed safety above all else. Also you have to take a gun safety test to even get your license . Unfortunately some people just disreguard it.

In the case of the hunter , he grew up in that area and should have known better . I am sure it wasnt his first time hunting . I would like to see refresher courses given at least every 5 years.

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I used to hunt and I support the right to hunt. But I have encountered too many buffoons over the years that make it a no go for me. I'm also glad to live in a no hunting area. Back in Michigan my wife, dog and I would regularly encounter Elmer Fuddknocker on our walks in a nearby confined park. Train tracks to the north, soccer field to the south, homes to the west and a library to the east. Circle trail around a pond, BLAM! 20 yards away. SMH.

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Nov 25th, 2017 06:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

“There is a point where it becomes the little kid in the street lecturing the drive, "if you run over me, it's your fault".

That logic only works if he shoots at a deer and a lady walks in between. If he sees the lady and intentionally shoots the lady, thinking it’s a deer, that’s not the same. That would be like a kid walking on the sidewalk and the driver thought it was the road so he drove there. Driver is still the negligent party.

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Nov 25th, 2017 07:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ugh, ugly situation.

I keep hiviz in the car for when I am out photographing during any of the hunting seasons, even birds.

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Nov 26th, 2017 08:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"That caution is as I stated. Wear the red vest during hunting season ... no matter if your a hunter or not."

BlondeStrat -- I get your point from a self preservation perspective, and it may even be reasonable out west where hunting is a way of life and everyone knows what's going on.

But out here in the east, hunters are about as popular as Klansmen and child molesters. The general population is about as clueless about hunting and hunting seasons as they are about everything else. I'd bet that if you took a survey outside a grocery store, 50% of the soccer moms would be surprised (and outraged) to know that hunting is even legal. People taking responsibility for their own safety out here isn't going to happen.

That said, the fact remains that this guy did everything wrong:

He took a shot after sunset which is illegal.
He was hunting on private property and didn't have permission to hunt there.
Taking an off hand shot at 200 yards with handgun, even if he had a high end scope, in low light, is not only optimistic, it is irresponsible and unethical from a hunter's perspective.

This guy makes all of us, hunters and gun owners alike, look like idiots. We owe it to ourselves to be clear that what he did is unacceptable and the outcome was 100% his responsibility.

I certainly don't want to be out in the woods with a guy like this.

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Nov 26th, 2017 09:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My brother used to coach girls soccer north of Detroit. I think the girls were in the 5 to 7 years old range. One practice he heard a shot, everyone stopped to see a deer run out of the woods nearby. Out comes a "hunter" who proceeds to drop the deer in the open with a second shot. Now my bro, coach Bob, is known as an avid hunter.

Its gomers like this that give a whole group of responsible hunters a bad name.



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Nov 26th, 2017 09:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh, I fully understand all the major dynamics here. I, of all people know this guy is responsible for every bullet he sends down range (and the damage it does).

Admittedly I don't know the specifics of this incident beyond what is printed in the article. Even the fact that she was out with two furry animals might have played into the confusion.

What we have though (in the example case) is a lady being dead that did not need to be dead ... regardless of fault.

The thread is posted and worded as an advisory/warning to thread readers.

I have to believe folks in that locality will take on an extra measure of awareness in the future.

As with the kid lecturing the automobile driver ... If the kid is going to end up dead for no good reason it's not good for the kid. And all he needed to do was have proper respect for the street from the get go.

This is a sad, sad deal

The shooter will be punished as he should be and the lady will still be dead.



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Hunting can be dangerous even if precautions are taken. Yesterday, I was hunting with a group of safety-concious guys. Two 15 foot high treestands were about 150 yards apart. Experienced guy in one stand shoots a 110 lb. doe about in the middle once and kills it (00 buck). A pellet hits a kid on the cheekbone on the next stand. No water, rocks, etc in the area of the deer. Just a muddy trail. Can't see how it happened. Kid is ok.

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