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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Guitars (Gibsons) with broken and repaired necks......Thoughts?

ejm

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Nov 24th, 2017 09:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think I know the answers but I thought I'd ask.

SGs and LPs and etc are prone to this. There are several used ones out there at what are to me fairly attractive prices.

Would you hesitate?
How can you tell if it's repaired adequately/properly? (Or can you?)
I have seen a few that have strips of wood "spliced in" (dadoed?) that probably make it better, but most of them are just glued back together at the break.

I have heard that if it's done correctly, that the break area will be stronger than it was before.

Thanks in advance.


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Nov 24th, 2017 09:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, that's the catch: "done correctly."

Sometimes you can tell from the way the repair is sanded and finished, the person that did the job was a hack. Sometimes you can tell that they knew what they were doing.

Using splines (wood inserts) is a judgment call on the part of the tech. Generally, if it's a clean break with no crushed/damaged or missing wood, splines are not necessary.

What you don't know is the kind of glue that was used, or if there's hidden (internal) damage that got no glue at all.

While it is true that a properly-fit glue joint is stronger than the surrounding wood, buying a guitar with a headstock repair is rolling the dice because there's precious little wood in that area to begin with. There are four primary reasons for this fragility.

a. The relatively small outside dimensions of the neck where it meets the headstock.

b. The internal rout for the truss rod and truss rod adjustment access pocket; wood has been removed on purpose!

c. The one-piece construction that creates grain across and through (vice along) the neck/headstock transition.

d. The ~120 lbs of string tension.

About the only assurance you can get is confirmation *from the reputable tech that did the repair*. If they're known as able to affect expert repairs, and they have the guitar in question in their records--that is solid peace of mind if you're buying.

There are plenty of good techs that know how to make a repair that will last. I have friends that own repaired-headstock guitars and they are holding up fine.

As you can tell by sale prices, a Gibson with a headstock repair is quite a bit less expensive than an equivalent guitar that's never had a headstock repair. There's a reason for that.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 11:53 AM, Nov 24th, 2017)

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Nov 24th, 2017 10:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wood under stress tends to break along lines of grain.

Fenders don't suffer this fragility because about half of the long grain of the neck continues past the nut to the end of the headstock.

Here's a pretty good visualization of why a one-piece neck is weaker than one with a scarf joint.

Add (subtract!) the wood that's removed from the already weak area to accommodate the truss rod...

and you have increased weakness.

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Nov 24th, 2017 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've repaired a few, including one of my own.

The repair held without any problems.

Were I buying one with a repaired neck, I would pass.



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Nov 24th, 2017 10:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would probably pass too unless I had some deeper knowledge of the repair, the price was very right and I really really wanted the guitar.

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Nov 24th, 2017 10:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Double tap

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 12:38 PM, Nov 24th, 2017)

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Nov 24th, 2017 02:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I repaired a cherry red LP headstock that had a clean break. Not broken completely in two but almost. I removed some "splinters", glued with yellow carpenter's glue and clamped it. It went together great. After about a week of drying, I sanded, did some fill and then shot it with some lacquer that I had dyed with red dye. More, more lacquer and final sanding, polishing and buffing. It was not noticeable but I told the guy who bought it. He was a player and knew about LP necks. He was ok with it.

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Nov 24th, 2017 02:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's "done correctly!"

Dadzmad

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Nov 24th, 2017 03:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My take on this is if someones beloved guitar takes a fall and and has a headstock repair, if it was done right they will hold on to it, if it was not then it's for sale

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