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Jake
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Nov 9th, 2017 01:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I just want a normal, truthful, unbiased news report."

Doesn't exist, instead choose multiple sources both sides of center. Try to pay attention to the side you dis agree with for say 25% of the time to avoid harmful effects.

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Nov 9th, 2017 01:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Of course you may want your news sorted by bias, depending on your mood.

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Nov 9th, 2017 01:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

According to your link the USA today is "least biased"

Yea right.

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Nov 9th, 2017 02:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I believe about 10% of what I read, if that."

Yeah, and when only 5% is true, that ain't bad.

This is an early DOB thread but I am just fed up with the news. 100% one side on some channels and 100% the other side on others. That ain't journalism in any case.

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Nov 9th, 2017 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A few months back I served on a death sentence jury and listened for almost 2 weeks as a long list of experts with a lot letters after their names gave testimony. Then came the other experts with conflicting testimony.

There are no more absolutes. Empirical evidence comes in different flavors. There are as many truths as there are genders. If you don't agree with me then you are stupid. That's all that's needed these days to demonstrate a superior intellect. Well, a funny meme helps.

Maybe it's always been this way and took me half a century to figure it out. Duh!



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Nov 9th, 2017 02:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wont be a DOB .... this isn't about politics.



Its about blasting stories to the public before truth is found....just to get the story out first.

or

Somebody writing a story based on opinion, and other media regurgitating it as fact.

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Nov 9th, 2017 03:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I read the morning paper every single day for 40 years, and usually watched the news at least once a day.

Then I moved to the mountains and did not sign up for the paper. And I almost never watch the news.

Don't miss it, and don't feel less informed, oddly enough.

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Nov 9th, 2017 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As invented by Wm Randolph Hearst.. yellow journalism.

Sensationalize, blow it out of proportion , or just make it up.

CNN is now interviewing their own interviewers and making them the stars of the show.

Not news...


My favorite: "breaking news" ... the same story for 5 days is not breaking news... by definition it isn't breaking nor is it new.

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Nov 9th, 2017 03:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Beware the "both sides" thinking; it is a trap as they are two sides of the same coin.

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Nov 9th, 2017 03:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What roc said +1000.

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Nov 9th, 2017 03:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The classic fake news story of all time (as far as I know) was Orson Wells "War of the worlds" aired in 1938, portrayed as "live news" it was in reality a radio drama show but it demonstrates the power of the media in our culture. It's important I think to remember that only a relatively few entities control the bulk of what we see, hear, and read in the USA. I try to remember that someone else decides what is "news" and just as important, what gets left out of the story.

I like C-span, my local radio and Newspaper and a few foreign sources for world affairs. I also think we watch and read the type of news that agrees closest to our world view in general.

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Nov 9th, 2017 03:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

“Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth.”
― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

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Nov 10th, 2017 07:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

people are afraid of the truth.....because it can contradict their core beliefs..

news is more about getting your attention..it makes the advertisers happy!

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Nov 10th, 2017 10:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been working in journalism for the last 25 years as a reporter/writer and editor for newspapers and magazines. And I have to agree with a lot of what's being said here.

I have a lot of time for Stratcat's original point: Opinion has come to dominate the industry. One of the reasons is flat out economics: it's a whole cheaper to write opinion or "analysis" pieces than it is to generate original reporting. Given the massive losses the industry has sustained, opinion is a way to get "coverage" of major stories into your publication/broadcast for a relatively small amount of money.

Guitar Fool makes a good point above when he says "news is more about getting your attention." Very true. The media landscape is fragmented and over-saturated in the digital era. You don't need to spend millions on printing presses, radio stations or TV stations to get into the media business any more. A halfway decent computer and reliable Internet connection will do. The problem is, you need to draw that audience... and so news outfits rely more and more on marketing tactics and strategies to build audiences than the journalistic value of the "news" they produce.

archiestone also mentioned the BBC. That's interesting because the BBC is funded by a tax on television sets, not advertising as most networks in North America are. That puts a somewhat different take on the job of journalism, IMO. Since it's publicly funded by a state mechanism, there's a kind of fiduciary responsibility inherent in the journalism. The BBC and its ilk (eg. the CBC in Canada) get loads of criticism for bias etc., but they operate in a different context than private-enterprise news organizations. I find them more traditional...(and I like it!)

I got way more to say about all this, but I'll leave it alone for now. I can get real boring on the topic if I don't get shut up fast enough. Thanks to those of you who read through this jumble to the end. ;)

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Nov 10th, 2017 10:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Lang...excellent points...thanks for chiming in

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Nov 10th, 2017 10:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Weather, sports, upcoming events, deaths, etc. doesn't change greatly with bias."


I tend to disagree with this to an extent:


Remember about a month ago when Mexico had an earthquake?
I saw a news correspondant report on the rescue of a little boy from the rubble - how he had to "climb over a wall to get out".
I caught it...my wife didn't get it.


Years ago my brother was overseas. There was a sparsely attended town hall meeting featuring an American, um..."a famous person that wasn't an actor or a musician".
Later on the news, this sparsely attended town hall turned into a big cheering crowd. Wow, magic?

Another account form a neighbor that was in the military. This same "famous person" (or her husband - don't recall) was at a military base. A cold welcome was conveyed...but later on the news, PRESTO! there were smiles and cheering and a warm welcome.

Even simple events get twisted. It's pathetic.

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Nov 10th, 2017 12:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ragtop is probably smarter than most of us with his curtailed diet of news.

While this book is a little dated, it's probably more true today than when it was written in the 1990's - our consumption of "news" doesn't necessarily guarantee that we know what's going on:

How the News Makes Us Dumb

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Nov 10th, 2017 01:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My concern is that we have evolved to the point where the general population is incapable of reading unbiased news and arriving at any conclusion about it.

Forgive my dystopian point of view but I really think we need to tell people what to think because the alternative is they will default to not thinking at all.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 03:48 PM, Nov 10th, 2017)

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Nov 10th, 2017 02:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hawaii has the happiest citizens who also have the longest life expectancy. They don't seem to be addicted to national or global news. Is there a correlation?

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Nov 10th, 2017 03:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I really think we need to tell people what to think"

Isn't this what the more biased media outlets are trying to do by over reporting what promotes their agenda and not reporting what doesn't.

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