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Leftee
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Fear the Klinkhammer
Nov 11th, 2017 04:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

???

reverend mikey
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Nov 11th, 2017 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They really goofed up - their original projection of Tuesday was correct. I was wondering how it was going to get here that quick (today)...

...so, nothin' to review yet.

Leftee
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Fear the Klinkhammer
Nov 14th, 2017 08:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Out for Delivery"

reverend mikey
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Nov 14th, 2017 08:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yup!


Leftee
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Nov 15th, 2017 04:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Delivered"

;-)

reverend mikey
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Nov 15th, 2017 09:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, delivered, indeed! The guitar arrived yesterday - I've just been too busy to get around to writing a worthwhile, point by point review - so here goes:

The build of the guitar itself is flawless. The materials I'll give a solid 'B' for an MIK (Korean) build: the body is 3 pieces of "mahogany," the neck is 3 pieces of maple; 5 if you count the two little "tips" just north of the nut on the headstock. The top is maple with a thin laminate of flamed maple over it, very nicely stained (I really do like this color!).

The rosewood fretboard is dark and rich looking - feels great. The frets are medium jumbos and the fretwork is absolutely flawless. The nut slots are well cut, BUT they do need to be lowered just a tad - neck is very straight; could lower the saddles just a bit, but right now you can bend the strings (9-42) without fretting out. But in the middle of the fretboard, the action could stand to be a tad lower.

Tuners feel mid-grade, but work smoothly - guitar stays in tune with mild trem use. The trem itself is very smooth and set up to bend both up and down. The trem arm has an adjustment allen screw on it, so you can give it enough tightness to keep it where you want it.

All of the above gets very high marks. Then we get to the electronics...

The pickups sound pretty good in humbucker mode or in single coil mode when tapped, but it's hard to move back and forth without the hum setting sounding muddy or the single setting sounding bright or "plinky". (The pickups split by lifting up the tone control.)

So, adjust the tone control, right? Here's where PRS totally blew it: they used right-handed audio taper pots and wired them left-handed. So the tone control acts like an "on-off" switch near 1-2 on the dial; the volume knob only starts to make a change from around 4 down to 1.

I have no idea if their USA made lefties suffer from this same problem (someone else who has one please pipe in); but they didn't do their homework on this, and it's unforgiveable on a Korean made instrument that sells for over $800.

So I'll keep it for a few days and decide whether I want to either just rewire the pots so they work right, or change them out (and probably dump the single coil feature) or go whole hog and try different pickups... Yes, it's a worthy platform for mods, but I don't have lots of time to devote to that these days.

The guitar is overall very well made, mine is very light (I chose the lightest one they had listed), so very comfortable on a strap.

But I'm still on the fence about whether I want to keep it and invest that kind of time and money into a guitar that shouldn't have these issues, or just send it back. If I do send it back, I'll tell Sweetwater they need to pass on to PRS - hey, do this lefty thing "right"! If you would, you'd sell more guitars!

Thanks for listening. I've tried to post pics in my profile, but it's asking me to make the files so small, I'm not going to bother - what's up with that?

(This message was last edited by reverend mikey at 12:11 PM, Nov 15th, 2017)

Leftee
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Nov 15th, 2017 09:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great review!

What are your thoughts on the neck profile?

LeftyMeister

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Nov 15th, 2017 11:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"So, adjust the tone control, right? Here's where PRS totally blew it: they used right-handed audio taper pots and wired them left-handed. So the tone control acts like an "on-off" switch near 1-2 on the dial"

That's all too common.

Leftee
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Fear the Klinkhammer
Nov 15th, 2017 01:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I’ve actually corresponded with two companies (Tradition and Michael Kelly) about the pot situation. It was total news to them. Not sure if they changed their setup.

reverend mikey
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Nov 15th, 2017 02:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The easiest solution to the potentiometer issue is to use right-handed pots and wire them accordingly. This means the pots will turn the "opposite" way on lefty guitars (from what is natural, or "mirror image" to right-handed guitar controls), but this has never been an issue for me - I've been wiring my guitars this way for 20 years.

It's especially critical when they want to use push pull pots for advanced wiring - I don't thing ANYONE makes lefty sweep potentiometers with push-pull pots attached to them.

woody
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Nov 15th, 2017 02:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good review. Love Trampas green. Apparently the guy that stains the guitars at PRS is named Trampas. He mixed the color and they named it after him.

Have fun with your new guitar.

Leftee
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Fear the Klinkhammer
Nov 15th, 2017 02:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What’s interesting is that lefty import guitars are wired wrong. MIM, MIK. Chinese. Whatever. MIA is done right. At least in my experience.

LeftyMeister

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Nov 15th, 2017 03:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My Epi LP Custom Pro has lefty pots that work the way they're supposed to work.

Leftee
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Nov 15th, 2017 04:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"My Epi LP Custom Pro has lefty pots that work the way they're supposed to work."

That's awesome!

My Les Paul and the AmStd Strat I had a few years back both came with righty pots wired righty.

I've rewired all my other guitars except for my semi-hollow Ibanez. I haven't got a round tuit.

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Nov 16th, 2017 12:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

all the guitars i've owned even custom shop fenders came wired wrong they're either on or off. i've switched out all pots

except my gibson les paul traditional but it has linear taper pots so if you wire them left or right they work.

and yes mikey noone makes lefty taper push pull. if i was going to get one of these (still might) i'd change pots out and put in a toggle switch

reverend mikey
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Nov 16th, 2017 07:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I did a little more A/B/C testing with the PRS and a couple of my other humbucker loaded guitars last night, just to see how it compared.

The comparison showed the 85/15 pickups to be somewhat bright - I don't know if this is the pots they use (probably 500K ohm) or just inherent in these pickups. They also seem a little weak on the low strings. In a thread over in the Misc. Forum, Peegoo sings their praises, but I'm not in love with them (again, compared to a couple other sets of humbuckers, one of which is/are a DiMarzio 36th Anniversary set, so nothing really "custom" or high end).

So if I were to keep the PRS SE, I'd eventually want to swap out pickups and pots with a new wiring scheme - I think a 5-way switch would be more interesting than the current coil taps (and this is what is on a lot of USA PRS guitars).

But I don't have the luxury of time right now to be rewiring guitars... and as I mentioned previously, I feel like for over $800 on a Korean guitar, I shouldn't have to "fix" the incorrectly wired pots. So this will be going back sometime in the next few days/next week.

It is a well built guitar - the neck feels great (don't know how to describe the profile, Eric, but it's comfortable on the thin side of medium), and the fretwork is certainly as good as any I've seen on a production guitar. But it doesn't tick all the boxes for the investment of $$. Someone else will love it, I'm sure.



Leftee
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Fear the Klinkhammer
Nov 16th, 2017 07:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

How does the neck compare to the SG?

I don’t blame you. At that price I’d have to love everything about the guitar to go ahead and fix the wiring myself.

My personal line for a mod platform these days is somewhere under $400.

reverend mikey
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Nov 16th, 2017 08:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hard to compare with the old memory banks, but as I recall, the SG had more shoulder on its profile. This one is more C shaped, I guess, but not a V or slight V by any means. Definitely a smaller neck than the SG, though.



LeftyMeister

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Nov 16th, 2017 03:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mike, are you planning to let PRS know the reason you're returning the guitar? If they're gonna make lefties, they should at least make true lefties. They might like to know.

reverend mikey
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Nov 16th, 2017 04:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I will tell the sales rep at Sweetwater to pass on the reason to PRS - then it's up to him whether he does that or not. But it is the reason for the return.

Someone (like the left-handed employee of PRS [!] that demoed these on the PRS demo video) should have flagged these and said, "Hey, this is unacceptable!"

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