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scott-s
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Nov 4th, 2017 11:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

At our first gig in 4or5 months our drummer went off on us, adding too many fills, crashing the cymbals during some of the vocal parts and either starting a song way fast or speeding up some where in the middle and just generally playing too loud for the little venue that hires us. Maybe he had a bad night, BUT

It is hard to bridle this guy because no matter how gracious I try to be he takes offence half the time. He will listen to the bass player because they go way back, but after a couple of songs he seems to forget.

My biggest concern is that he speeds up even during our rehearsals. I've noticed lately that this is becoming more of a problem, he cant seem to keep the tempo from racing, What to do? Another drummer I played with for a while had a little meter light he could set to keep himself on tempo. I think I'm going to have to suggest one of these, any other Ideas that may work?



ninworks
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Nov 5th, 2017 05:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Time for a new drummer. This one doesn't have a clue.

littleuch
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Nov 5th, 2017 06:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's hard to argue that advice. Not being able to do a Buddy Rich solo is one thing. Not being able to reel it in and stay steady and respect the dynamics, well...

Juice Nichols
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Nov 5th, 2017 06:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I’m with ninworks. Time for a new drummer.

Te 52

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Nov 5th, 2017 08:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Probably wouldn't help, but you could tell him to watch...

,,,this.

Juice Nichols
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Nov 6th, 2017 08:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good video Te 52!

In my experience, many drummers that do a lot of fills tend to speed up a little every time they come out of one. By the time you get to the end of the song you're racing to a fire.



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Nov 6th, 2017 08:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Over 40 years of so, the drummer slot has had the most changes. I can think of about 10 drummers we have had. We don't play much these days but we do have a drummer that is solid in his spot. Only thing is he is almost totally deaf (with hearing aids) and he does not watch the band closely enough. He lowers his head and it is impossible to get his attention when we need him to speed up or whatever. He also never uses his high hat. He uses his big ride cymbal for everything. I'll stop there.

I also say new drummer, especially if you band plays a lot.

littleuch
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Nov 6th, 2017 10:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would add if this is a longer term drummer who had more discipline in the past and has suddenly lost some finesse then maybe something medically/mentally is going on. If this has been the norm, then I wouldn't waste my time trying to teach an old dog to sit when all he wants to do is run weaves and jump hoops.

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Nov 6th, 2017 10:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Before giving him the axe you might try as a band really watching your tempo. It's not always the drummer who is at fault. I play drums as well as guitar and sometime it's hard to bridle the band. I'll hit harder and try to drag it back slowly but sometimes the band just doesn't listen.

As for the crashes and fills some guys are just not tasteful. If he was in the past and has changed there is a reason. Try to have a meeting and have everybody except some responsibility. If that doesn't work It's time for a new drummer as above.

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Nov 6th, 2017 10:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The best drummer I ever played with could play along with a drum machine and match the meter so close he'd almost make it disappear. He came from the double bass drum/big hair circuit originally, so had the chops to wow the drumophiles. When I played with him we called him "the bus driver". Meter was not a band democracy, he owned it. Most members respected it and watched it. Our keyboard player could have the propensity for going off the rails on some wild boogie woogie stuff, but the bus driver would just stay the course with the reset of the band. "I don't know where you're going, but the beats back here".

I can't say this is a working solution for every band or genre, but it worked for us.

gdw3

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Nov 6th, 2017 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

He probably doesn't think it's that bad. You need to prove it to him. Record your rehearsals, and play them back for him. Set a metronome to the beginning, then go to the end, and show him how much faster he's going.

SO many drummers speed up, and don't think they're doing it. Look at Steward Copeland of The Police. He would argue to death with Sting that he wasn't speeding up, and then would STILL speed up.


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Nov 6th, 2017 12:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Maybe he got excited, or was out-of-practice, seeing as how it was your first gig in 4 or 5 months?




Te 52

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Nov 6th, 2017 12:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Friend of mine's daughter is quite a steady and accomplished drummer at age 13. Her teacher says "She's got a good clock." I like that phrase.

ecwanab

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Nov 6th, 2017 12:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

...and I think you either have that clock - or you don't. Time for the "We think you'd be happier with a different band" talk.

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Nov 6th, 2017 05:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for all the replies and insights. first, ditching him is not an option because the truth is we are just a serious hobby band and nothing more. Still, it looks like we might be booked 2 nights a month all winter long and we approach it as being in a good "Working band" so we do have to keep working at it.

Tele 52's clip is dead on! The second example in that clip is our guy almost exactly! The bassist and I have played with a couple of other good drummers but they're either busy or not interested. Our guy is the first to admit he only has 4 basic beats and he is challenged to spice them up so everything won't sound the same, I get that!

Juice Nichols observation about speeding up after coming out of rolls could be the cause of most of our tempo problems so now I'm going keep an eye on that and coming out of other changes and solos as well. Recording will help. It's really hard to pin down but I do know playing live will add an element of anticipation or excitement that ends up in the mix, I'm not a drummer so I don't know how they go through working things out but I do know you can't play blues or a reggae song at 170 bpm and so should he!

(This message was last edited by scott-s at 07:41 PM, Nov 6th, 2017)

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Nov 6th, 2017 08:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of my biggest gripes is drummers that can't begin and finish a song at least *near* the same tempo.

I understand we're all human, but the two best drummers I've ever played with both used a Tama metronome as part of their kit. (and both pro drummers)

It has a blinking LED that shows the beat. Neither one of them was "glued" to it, but they could keep their time in check with just a glance. (as well as training their brain)

To me, it's a no-brainer that a person would use whatever tools are available to get the best possible result.

I've had drummers that were insulted when asked if they can play along to a metronome or click track.
That's usually where the conversation ended...

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(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 10:33 PM, Nov 6th, 2017)

scott-s
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Nov 6th, 2017 10:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Mick, you know its really helpful to check in here every once in a while I learn all kinds of stuff from you guys!

Dolemite

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Nov 7th, 2017 06:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great band + lousy drummer = lousy band
Lousy band + great drummer = great band

Life is too short to play with bad drummers.

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Nov 7th, 2017 07:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

TE 52,

That video is gold!

acplayer

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Nov 12th, 2017 07:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As a musician I feel that over the course of a dance tune the tempo should go a click or two faster as a song evolves.

I have listened to many bands that use tracks (with the drummer playing to a click track) lack energy as the their tunes go on... The band sounds sterile.

Now, loud cymbals smashing through all of the time...Is he a drummer or a musician that plays drums?

A musician that plays drums plays with taste...

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