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krapos

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Oct 31st, 2017 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi, I recently purchased my first guitar from the Guitar Center "used guitars" section here http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Squier/Classic-Vibe-1950S-Telecaster-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar-113559837.gc

and I noticed it was significantly different from modern versions of the Squier Classic Vibe 1950s Telecaster like this: http://shop.fender.com/en-US/squier-electric-guitars/telecaster/classic-vibe-telecaster-50s/0303027550.html

I trusted that Guitar Center identified it correctly. But I can't help wondering, is the one I purchased perhaps an old model of the guitar? And if so, how old is it? Is it even correctly identified?

Your help would be greatly appreciated!

(This message was last edited by krapos at 10:17 AM, Oct 31st, 2017)

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Oct 31st, 2017 08:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The guitar pictured in the Guitar Center link is not a 50's Classic Vibe Telecaster model. That should be immediately recognized, due to its pickup/pickguard configuration and modern style tuners.

The guitar pictured in your fender.com link is, in fact, a 50's Classic Vibe Telecaster.

These are such dissimilar instruments that I can't imagine anyone mistaking one for the other.




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Oct 31st, 2017 08:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That Tele you have there is a Squier Telecaster Custom II model.

It's a good one: *great* pickups (USA-made Duncans) right out of the box.

The majority of these came with Duncan P90s, but you've got one with full-size humbuckers.

krapos

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Oct 31st, 2017 09:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you, I did think they looked significantly different!

1) Do you guys think it was a good price for the guitar (used) (~$220)? Will it be good for a first guitar?
2) How will the full-size humbuckers change the sound?
3) In what ways will the guitar I got be from the Classic Vibe?

Apologies for the questions, and thank you so much for your input so far!!


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Oct 31st, 2017 10:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That seems a fair price.

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Oct 31st, 2017 11:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That IS a good price. Each pickup by itself is worth ~$50 used ($75-$85 or so new).

It is excellent as a first guitar.

If you are just now getting into playing, spend another $60 or so to have it properly set up (not at Guitar Center...take it to a proper music shop where local pros have their guitars worked on).

Most new/used guitars are never optimized for ease of play and great tone. A good setup is the absolute best thing a new player can have on a first guitar, because it will hurt the fingers less, it will play in tune, it will stay in tune, and it will make you want to pick it up and play it.

The full-size humbuckers are more mid-rangey and more powerful than the standard Fender single-coil units in a typical Telecaster. This is not a bad thing if you're into rock, blues, and jazz. The humbuckers make the Tele lean more toward a Gibson Les Paul tone. However, it doesn't get all the way there due to the longer Fender scale length (25.5") and higher string tension, compared to the shorter Gibson scale (24.75") and slightly slacker strings.

The guitar you have is different from the Classic Vibe in tone and power. The Classic Vibe is a brighter-sounding guitar due to the single-coil pickups.

If you are looking to play twangy country, the Tele Custom II is not the ideal instrument.

But if you play a varied mix, e.g., rock, blues, jazz, country, etc., the Tele Custom II is a great guitar because it will cover a lot of musical ground.

With a proper setup, it is a pro-level guitar you could easily gig with, and it will deliver the goods and be reliable.

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Oct 31st, 2017 12:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is a very decent first guitar! It is well worth the money you spent.

krapos

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Oct 31st, 2017 02:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you everyone for taking out the time to respond to my questions, especially @Peegoo for the lengthy and detailed answers and advice.

For my last question(s) for now: What does a good set up entail? What exactly should I ask them to do?
I hesitate to just show up to a local shop and ask them to tune my guitar - are there specific things I should ask for?

Again, thank you everyone for all the answers!

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Oct 31st, 2017 03:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A setup is going to be adjustments to the neck, string height, new strings (light gauge) basically a tune up. I am sure they will be happy to get you started. The playability of the guitar will have everything to do with you staying interested.

Tell them what you have shared with us. If you tell us what city you live in someone here may be able to suggest a guitar shop. If you happen to live in Pueblo Colorado I know a good place;-)

krapos

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Oct 31st, 2017 06:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you @Therealfrogman! Knowing some of the details and specifics of what constitutes a setup is really helpful. I think I've found a decent reputable local shop to get the guitar setup, all that's left is for the guitar itself to arrive!

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Oct 31st, 2017 08:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yep. A setup gets the geometry of the parts in balance with ease of play:

- Neck truss rod adjustment for proper neck relief (about .012" relief at the 8th fret)

- Saddle height adjustment and nut slot adjustment for proper string action (string height off the frets). Nut slot adjustment should get each string between .018" and .020" distance off the first fret. Proper saddle height adjustment makes the strings between 5/64" and 4/64" (1/16") off the 12th fret

- New set of strings

- Intonation adjustment for proper noting of fretted notes

- Adjust pickups' distance from strings for best tone and response

- Check all hardware to make sure everything is snug

- Lube the nut and string tree(s)

This doesn't apply to your guitar, but a setup on a vibrato-equipped guitar like a Stratocaster includes adjusting and lubricating the vibrato.

There are lots of youtube videos that describe guitar setups. Some are very good. Some are very bad. Most are pretty good.

As you can see, you really need no special tools to do a guitar setup. If you have a thickness gauge, metric and SAE Allen wrench sets, and some good screwdrivers, you can do all setup operations except adjust nut slots. Nut slot adjustment requires a gauged set of nut files.

Here's Dave Reaume's approach to setting up a Tele Thinline

krapos

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Oct 31st, 2017 11:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Again, muchas gracias @Peegoo. I didn't really understand the video but watched all of it lol. What I do understand is that the setup is definitely something I should get done by someone who knows a lot more than I do!

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