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Mick Reid
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Oct 30th, 2017 07:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of my students has brought this to me and I could use your collective experience and advice.

The previous owner had put an additional 3 strap buttons onto it and the new owner wants them filled and finished. The filling (plugging) is a no brainer but could use help on finishing ideas.

It is a budget instrument (Soundgear by Ibanez) so I don't want to put more into it than the bass is worth.
The owner is not looking for perfection, but I want to give him the possible outcome without robbing him.

The most critical spot is the one on the top (most visible). The poly finish is dented from the strap button, which I was just going to drop-fill with CA and polish, but doing the colour finish is where I'm undecided. (thinking nail polish???)

The most difficult of the three is the one under the upper bout. I would say the guy just drove a screw in there will no pilot hole, so it's extremely "puckered".
Again, this one does need to be "perfect" but as good as I can get economically speaking.

Opinions & advice please...

less holes please :^)

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Oct 30th, 2017 08:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You're on the right track: a small dowel plug, then nail polish in a matching color. The trick is to use a whole bunch of thin coats, rather than several thick coats.

The real challenge is color matching--and metallics are *the* most difficult to match. Getting a close match is possible, but getting it perfect is next to impossible.

Prep the surface after you plug by gently deglossing the area with 600-grit paper. Clean with naphtha, and then lay on a thin coat of nail enamel. Let that dry...warm air from a hair dryer helps speed things up. Keep adding thin layers to build up the finish and fill any divots.

Resist the temptation to lay on thick coats. The reason is because of the fast-dry nature of nail enamel--it dries and forms a shell before the lower portion is dry. As the solvent evaporates out, it leaves voids (air pockets) in the drop fill. There's no speedy way to do this.

Scrape the repair level and wet sand with 600-grit paper over a small wood block. Polish to a gloss with any good-quality auto polish like Mother's or Meguire's.

Mick Reid
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Oct 30th, 2017 10:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Peegoo. Glad to know I was thinking right (it *does* happen from time to time)

Fortunately the "customer" fully understands the challenge of the colour matching and "close enough is near enough".
He just doesn't want dirty great holes sticking out like b@llz on a tall dog.
I'm sure I'm at least capable of that!

Thanks for tip on thin coats.
Is it worth (or feasible) thinning the nail polish with lacquer thinner first?
My experience with nail polish thus far, is it seems kind of "gloopy".

Cheers bra!


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Oct 31st, 2017 01:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've previously done what Peegoo said, probably because I learned it from him here! The only thing I would add is when it comes to sanding, as Peegoo said do it gently, and a handy technique to keep it gentle is to masking tape around the area, cut a small strip of paper just about as wide as the fill and a couple of inches long. With one finger apply a light pressure to the paper while your other hand pulls the paper through under the pressure. After the 600 grit I'd always go to 1000 grit and steel wool as well, before the polish.

Mick Reid
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Oct 31st, 2017 03:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's a clever trick vomer. Thanks!

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Oct 31st, 2017 07:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great info!

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Oct 31st, 2017 07:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You can thin it a little if you like. One or two drops of naphtha in the nail enamel will do it.

Spot repairs to metallic finishes are virtually impossible to perfectly match, even if you have the exact brand and color of the original paint.

This is why body shops refinish an entire panel rather that do a spot repair. The reason is how the reflective particles level out in the repair--compared to the particles in the original surrounding finish.

Mick Reid
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Oct 31st, 2017 04:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...naphtha in the nail enamel will do it."

Thanks again P.
Isn't "garden variety" nail polish a lacquer rather than an enamel, or do I need to seek out something special? (or is the distinction irrelevant in this application ?)


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Oct 31st, 2017 06:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

acetone is the typical remover so I always thought that nail polish was a lacquer -- but then acetone eats just about any type of paint.

They key here is that for the expense justified for an inexpensive guitar, you're just wanting to hide the hole slightly. Its not a restoration. But then again, when I have the time, its sometimes cool to use a situation like this as a personal exercise and challenge to see how good you can do.

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Oct 31st, 2017 06:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just doing better than typewriter correction fluid is a good thing.

Mick Reid
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Oct 31st, 2017 07:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey wrnch, you pretty much nailed it.

The owner has realistic expectations as I have explained the cost/benefit scenario to him.

I also consider it a personal learning opportunity.

It's worth mentioning that he has been a weekly student for almost 2 years, so at 40 bucks an hour, he's given me a fair amount doe over that time. Loyalty has its rewards...


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Nov 1st, 2017 07:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"...to see how good you can do."

Spot on. I always use these 'freebie' repairs as an opportunity to improve my chops.

Mick Reid
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Nov 5th, 2017 02:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Holy crap! This is one of those jobs where you just ask yourself "what were you thinking?"

I'll get it done and it will come out "alright" but bloody hell... I will have earned my two dollars-fifty!

I *may* post pics when I'm done, but we'll see...


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Nov 5th, 2017 08:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

ā€œ...sticking out like b@llz on a tall dog.ā€

I am *so* stealing that phrase!

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Nov 9th, 2017 12:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Taking the opportunity to practice with out stress is time well spent.

I think if it was mine Iā€™d just add three more strap buttons, or fill the holes with Rhinestones ā€œo) always classy.

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Nov 10th, 2017 03:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

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