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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Fender Locking Tuners

roadhog96

USA / N.East Coast

Oct 10th, 2017 06:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Fender chrome locking tuners part 0990818100 look like the old Schaller style that came on the Deluxe Strats. They are made in Taiwan, not Germany were the Schaller are manufactured.

Been thinking about changing my Strat and Tele over to locking. Schaller still manufactures this style tuner but without the "F" logo on the knob.

I guess my question is are they as good as Schaller, if not why?

Are these new Schaller look alike Taiwan tuners good enough to be worthy of a Strat or Tele.

One more note, the American Standard Strat and Tele came with staggered tuners, 2 tall 4 short. The locking tuners come 3 tall 3 short. Anyone have an idea why?

(This message was last edited by roadhog96 at 09:12 PM, Oct 10th, 2017)

HeavyDuty
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Oct 10th, 2017 07:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have those on both my AmStd Strat and AmStd Tele. Quality is really nice.

Lenny1716

SoCal, South Bay

Oct 10th, 2017 08:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I purchased on installed them on my AmSpcl, and, am quite satisfied. However, since I have never used Schaller, I can't compare.

Cal-Woody

USA/California

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Oct 10th, 2017 09:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Some of the newer ones have a better gear ratios than the Schaller's. If I remember correctly, the older Schaller locking tuners were 14:1 and a lot of the newer ones are 16-18:1.
So maybe a better trade off with the same good quality.

roadhog96

USA / N.East Coast

Oct 11th, 2017 03:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another thing I just noticed is all the new American Elite, Deluxe and Standard have short post on the tuners, no tall ones at all. This is with locking and standard tuners.

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Oct 12th, 2017 04:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I believe the newer Schaller only have one pin that goes into the back of the headstock whereas the Fender versions have two- might want to confirm before you order Schallers. The Schaller-made Fender versions on older guitars have two pins.

RicOkc

Nicoma Park, OK.

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Oct 12th, 2017 12:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Schaller still makes the two pin lockers.

Schaller site

RicOkc

Nicoma Park, OK.

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Dec 31st, 2017 02:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The lockers that have the "F" on the back of the tuner are made by Ping. The makers of golf clubs.

How do I know that? Easy, an email to Fender when they switched from the Schaller locking tuners to the "F" marked Ping ones.

I have a set of each on my two Strat's, the Ping ones seem to be holding up fine so far.

(This message was last edited by RicOkc at 04:06 AM, Dec 31st, 2017)

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Dec 31st, 2017 08:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ping also makes very nice stamped steel tuners that are almost dead-on copies of the original Klusons, but with internal Nylon bushings. Even though they're imports, there is nothing better for any price.

Mick Reid
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Dec 31st, 2017 05:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've also had tuners mfd by Ping and never a problem.
IIRC, I'm pretty sure Wilkinson tuners are made by Ping.
Some may dismiss Wilkinson hardware as sub-par, but I've used their tuners numerous times and been completely satisfied.

stinger22

USA

Mar 7th, 2018 08:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Installed the "F" tuners on my Strat and Tele and any Fender I ever get that doesn't have them soon will. Never problem, good accurate tuning.

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Mar 8th, 2018 05:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hard to keep up with manufacture changes. The F logo tuners on my AM Deluxe are awesome

dustoff

USA/Illinois

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Mar 8th, 2018 12:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I put Sperzels on all my Strats & Teles...love em

Therealfrogman
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Mar 8th, 2018 02:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just bought a staggered set for my new channel bound tele neck and right out of the box the low e tuner went limp when tuning down, I contacted the seller and they sent a replacement no questions asked. I am very happy with them now.



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Mar 12th, 2018 01:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BTW, I usually refer to the Fender site setup pages that have all the basic how to and measurements, etc. After reading this info hundreds of times I noticed this..

"Remember—with most tuning keys, it's preferable to tune up to pitch. However, with locking tuners, go past the note and tune down to pitch"

What is the logic here? I probably killed this thread anyway but if anyone wants to key something in here that would be fine.



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