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Bubbalou

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Oct 6th, 2017 09:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is a beautiful guitar and should be a phenomenal guitar with some necessary TLC

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 6th, 2017 10:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I spent about 45 minutes on the phone with Steve Neal and got his story as well as talking about what to do. Some time in the next couple weeks, I'll go camping up in the SNRA and bring the D18. He's about 45 miles from Stanley.

When I called Martin this morning, told them about the guitar, and mentioned I lived in Idaho, the guy (Harry) immediately said to bring it to Steve. I know Kimsey is legendary in certain circles but I'm not as interested in modding the guitar as much as restoring it to as close to original as I can.

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Oct 6th, 2017 11:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not Gryphon here in the East Bay: Lewis Santer in beautiful downtown Oakland.
He did a neck reset under warranty for me 2 yrs ago and it is flawless.

Lewis Santer instruments

(This message was last edited by archiestone at 01:18 PM, Oct 6th, 2017)

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larryguitar
Oct 6th, 2017 11:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

FWIW-- I have a theory on pickguards.

I'm not sure they are necessary if you play correctly. The proper technique should be to anchor with the pinky and palm and control the pick so it moves in a small area.

Gibson put on some el cheapo adhesive pickguards on their J45's which peeled off in humidity. Mine came off in the first year.

But honestly it's not a problem and I think the guitar sounds better without it.


Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 6th, 2017 11:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

archie, I looked up Martin repair sites last night and assumed it was Santer you talked about. I know about Gryphon. Our own 6L6 is a regular customer of theirs. However, I'm confident after Martin's strong endorsement of Steve Neal here in Idaho, especially after talking to him on the phone this morning.

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Oct 6th, 2017 11:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^ Sounds like a good choice, especially if you're looking to keep it close to original.

larryguitar19 regarding pickguards: I hear you, but sometimes I like getting loose and letting go with my playing. A guard can come in handy in those situations.

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 6th, 2017 12:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The D18 came in its original case which seems to be worth a couple hundred all by itself. I transferred the guitar into a modern Martin thermo case that came with my D42. I bought another vintage style Martin case for the D42 as the molded cases bother me.

As I've spent more time with the guitar today, I'm impressed with the neck which is a little bit chunky and seems to have a little modified V shape as you move up the fretboard. It kills me that I might spend as much as a grand to do everything I'd like (it has the Grover roto tuners and I really like Waverly open tuners) but to own a guitar that was made when I was just 21 has all sorts of good vibes for me and I want it put back right.

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Oct 6th, 2017 01:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The repairs won't be cheap tho.

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 6th, 2017 01:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Depending on what is actually done, $600-1000. I'm certain that it needs a neck reset which includes refretting - $450. Then, it depends on whether we replace the saddle or shim it. Same with the nut which might be ok with filling the slots and recutting or shimming it. The pickguard crack is another $100 plus whatever pickguard I might use. Then there are the tuners. The seem to be fine (Grover Roto) and original to the guitar. If I changed them to Waverlys, there's a couple hundred more. If they check out OK, I'll probably keep them.

I'm prepared to spend up to a thousand but will see what we can do to not spend that much. At $1400 (price of the guitar and repairs to a thousand), I wouldn't have been in the market for a mahogany guitar. But now that this old thing is in my hands, I'd hate to leave to further deteriorate. One great thing is the finish is really, really nice for 45 years. No cracks or checking anywhere.

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Oct 6th, 2017 04:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Nice guitar, it looks like a fairly straight forward repair, it looks like it's cracked at the sound hole inlay too, It'll be a great guitar once it's been rehabbed "o)

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 6th, 2017 04:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It is, hushnel.

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Oct 6th, 2017 04:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh yes, definitely keep it local. + Shipping insured high-end guitars these days is expensive.

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 6th, 2017 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

arch, he's about 180 miles from here so it's not exactly "local" but I can make the excuse for the trip as I go up to the Stanley area at least 2-3 times a year, one of which is October for the fall colors. It's the drive back a few weeks later that's the rub. All state highway, no interstate.

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larryguitar
Oct 6th, 2017 06:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Chris--I hear what you are saying regarding the economics of the deal. When it's done you will have restored a fine instrument and you seem passionate about it. In my view that's good enough for me.

Please send us pics when it's done.

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Oct 6th, 2017 09:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" All state highway, no interstate."

Always my preference. Get absorbed in the details of the countryside and the people who live in it (or don't live in it--as is often the case in the expansive West).

"Please send us pics when it's done."

Yes. Definitely want to see how this thing turns out. Should be a humdinger when finished.



Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 7th, 2017 12:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I gotta say, I'm starting to get excited about this project the more and more I do my homework. I know it's not a 1936 and not a D-28 (what I lusted for in those days) but the year is right because those were my golden playing years - early 60's to the end of the 70's. I want to do right by this guitar not only for me but its late owner. It was so sad to see it in it's old blue case with nothing but some empty string envelopes and an old capo. I think the guys name was Ron DuPrey. Last name is right but not sure about the first. He died in '06 and his wife stored the guitar in a storage locker for more than a decade.

I *want* this guitar to come back to what it should be because its the right thing to do for an old working Martin that was cared for by its owner. The problems have come from 10-12 years of dry storage, at least that's my guess.

Anyway, we should take up a GoFundMe fo Chris to save his D18! Whattaya say, fellas, will you help me restore this historical old guitar that played countless gigs in bars all over New Mexico, Colorado, and Idaho? Will you do it? Will you do it for the kids? Will ya? I've already put $400 of my own money in it and will take it personally to Stephen Neal Saqui up in Clayton, stopping of course in Stanley for coffee and pastry before the final run. Who's with me???? Road trip to the Sawtooths in October with the fall colors. Steaks at the Pio in Ketchum. I'm ready for this, are *you*? I'm going to need a valet for the run up in the FDP Hippie Van. The Valet sleeps outside on the ground just so's you know. Oh, and we can bring guns and likker. I like a nice California Cabernet...

Y'all got my paypal account so show me your FDP LOVE!

(am I getting any action here?) ;o)

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Oct 7th, 2017 07:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Putting a face to the progect is always good. This is going to turn ot very well.

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Oct 7th, 2017 07:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This is more like a mission than just a guitar repair. Which is cool.

But I'm afraid I don't fit the profile to be an accomplice--don't drink and don't eat meat (yeah...I know that makes no sense for a rancher raising cattle). LOL...

And fall colors are already on the wane here. Twenty-five degrees here this morning with snow on the peaks...

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Oct 7th, 2017 07:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"[I] don't drink and don't eat meat."

That's why we trust you.

xoxo,

The Cattle

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 7th, 2017 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was joking around last night but both stratcowboy and hushnel actually sent donations. I put them on their accounts. So please, there is no GoFundMe, I was just having fun! And thanks, you guys, each got a star.

But it *is* a mission!

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