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FDP Forum / Moe's Tavern (_8^(I) / Is the world REALLY going t'Hell in a handbasket?

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Lakeside, CA

Oct 3rd, 2017 10:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

My Father in Law was born in 1900. Horse and buggy times. Before he passed in 1996 he told me that he did not fit today's world. Most of his contemporaries died 30 years in the past.

I'm an analog guy in a digital world. In my formative years electric guitars and tube amps were cutting edge. Today not so much.

College was a 4 year program (if you didn't keep up you were drafted). I wanted to leave home and be on my own after high school. I'm not sure many people think that way today.

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retired NW Arkansas

Aspire to Inspire before you Expire
Oct 3rd, 2017 11:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

We live in the safest time in human history. I know...there are plenty of horrible things that happen every day, but for the vast majority of the 7.5 billion people on Earth, things are better for them now than has ever been.

My Dad always said that 99.9% of human beings are decent people, but that still leaves 7.5 million rotten souls in our world, and this is who we hear about on a daily basis...not the 99.9% that are good.

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Fat people are hard to kidnap
Oct 3rd, 2017 11:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

I remember being taught about the USSR and how the phones were tapped and neighbors spyed on neighbors.

Seems like we are in that place here.


LA , Calif

I try my best
Oct 3rd, 2017 11:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

Every aspect of stress has changed since I was a kid compared to what kids face today.

For example there were always bullies except now with social media it's changed. With a fist fight it used to end. Stress at different levels.

I know what it was like for me as a kid. I don't know any kids today except for what I see.

I wanted a guitar some kids still do. I had to work for it. I don't know if things come easier for some kids today, they did for some kids back in my day, most it didn't.

I wouldn't want to be a kid today and I can't say it was easy when i was one. It's just a different world today how can one compare.

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Sunken Heights

North Carolina
Oct 3rd, 2017 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

These days I'm an art teacher at an elementary school. The assignments of the "solid" subjects, Math, English, Science, are assessed and translated into "data" that is shared across the state. Of course, it's based on standardized testing.

This has knocked off most of the high-points of anything exceptional that teachers can put forth. They are as if on rails. The interesting characters that taught most of us would feel boxed in by the requirements. Teachers give up the profession in droves, so there is a constant influx of new and inexperienced teachers.

The careers of the staff and the future of the kids hangs on the data. Even the property value of the neighborhood is at stake. Such pressure has driven many kids to not give a crap anymore, and I don't blame them.

As the art teacher, I resist letting art class become victim to this, but I often have various "academic coaches" and the like from the upper echelons of the school district ask to see my "data wall". I just look at them like they're nuts and hope they go away.

(This message was last edited by WireDog at 02:27 PM, Oct 3rd, 2017)

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Mass., Amerika

CO2 ... is there anything it can't do?
Oct 3rd, 2017 12:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

My kids are too busy working and taking care of my two year old grand daughters to worry much about the handbasket. They all are in their early thirties, own houses, and have been working since before they graduated HS. I could not be more proud of them.

Kids complaining that they have no hope for the future were not raised properly.

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Too Near Atlanta GA

Amp Tech Emeritus
Oct 3rd, 2017 12:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Screw their data wall...keep doing what you do.



Houston, TX

Oct 3rd, 2017 12:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Are kids today "softer"(...)?"


Strength of grip declines in young adults

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So. Cal. USA

Oct 3rd, 2017 01:08 PM   Edit   Profile  

No. To comment further I'd have to get political.

Too many people believe the media however. All bad news or spun to be bad news or even fake news. No disrespect intended here but how many times did Tom Petty die and come back to life yesterday? Too freakin many!


Hawaii, USA

Perfect is the enemy of good enough
Oct 3rd, 2017 03:49 PM   Edit   Profile  

It was a simpler and gentler time. Imagine your summer on your bike tooling around town, half naked in cutoffs and no shirt.

Now, a kid is programmed to adulthood that helmets, pads, colors are all to be worn while biking outside the house, or to any destination, while cars have become safer and people drive better.

We didn't have video games or personal tv's in our room. We had no pads, no phones, no nothing. We invented play, we invented characters to confront.

We didn't shoot the bad guy and reboot. In a way reality has been altered in a bad way for many who when once experience life for real, cannot deal.

I liked it better when I was a scraped up kid...

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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 3rd, 2017 04:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

Actually, I had both a TV and personal phone in my room by the time I was 16, maybe 15 but I get your point.

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Alcohol- Because No

Good Story Ever Started by Drinking Milk
Oct 3rd, 2017 04:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'd rather be 19 today than 50 as I am right now. When you're 19, every day is an adventure. Right now at least for me, every day is Groundhog's Day like the movie. Same routine.

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St. Louis

"Thumbpicks don't slide into soundholes"
Oct 3rd, 2017 04:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think the lack of electronic "babysitters" when we were growing up is so much different now so kids are just too knowledgeable about things that we weren't burdened with as kids. We had to manufacture our own entertainment with a rock and a stick etc.
Who knows what kids worry about today when they are exposed to so much info 24/7.
I think that going to hell in a hand basket is a bit harsh. It's just that we are bombarded with information constantly and it's not always accurate or even meant to be.
A lot of stuff is just spin on actual events and it's difficult to differentiate one from the other often. You can't blame people for having opposing views when they are exposed to editorialized content on social media which doesn't have the restraints on it that journalism has traditionally had.
As far as people doing heinous things ....thats been with us forever. There have always been people with no compassion and willing to kill someone else just on a whim. Guns ,cars, trucks,bombs have all been used for this and the list will get bigger with each new invention we see.
So we are looking for an answer to why? Or to place blame to make sense of it all. Sometimes there isn't a reason....It's just that all humans are wired a bit different.

I don't think we're going down the tube we're just getting more global and less individual in our interactions with others. This may be insulating us from each other.
We might be better off to unplug a bit rather than try to understand everything.

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American Patriot

About as ordinary as you can get.
Oct 3rd, 2017 07:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

When we go, it will be in the blink of an eye, I hope.

Gene from Tampa
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Tampa, FL

Live! From God's Waiting Room ....
Oct 3rd, 2017 07:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

Kids, I don't know what's wrong with these kids today
Kids, who can understand anything they say?
Kids, they are disobedient, disrespectful oafs
Noisy, crazy, sloppy, lazy, loafers
And while we're on the subject

Kids, you can talk and talk till your face is blue
Kids, but they still do just what they want to do
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?


LA , Calif

I try my best
Oct 3rd, 2017 08:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think going to hell in a hand basket fits the world we live in now and has for some time now.

When I walk all I see are people on cell phones completely detached from what's going on around them.

Buildings with gates all around for security and companies trying to sell you more security. Schools with metal detectors. Young people setting up tents all along the sidewalks.

I was never one who cared to watch TV other than a few shows. We never locked our doors let alone finding the need to even think of gates. In school we might need a hall pass. As some one else said we invented things to do.

I spent hours waiting for a new song to come on the radio so I could learn it and spent hours after school playing my guitar and then it was a garage band.

With the computers and all the new technology people sit on their rear and hours fly by.

I didn't own one until 2000 and I don't post much because it's not like people face to face, it's more an illusion.

Life has become one enormous box store and the media a fluff show. Next month I'll be 69. If anyone told me decades ago this would be the future I would live in I would have thought them insane.

Harrison had it right, brain washed.

Chris Greene
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Idaho, USA

Nine mile skid on a ten mile ride
Oct 3rd, 2017 08:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

You gotta wonder how some people even get out of bed each day.


It's not just good..

...it's good enough.
Oct 4th, 2017 07:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

"...when the last time you've seen a bunch of kids playing a game of baseball/football,. or anything in your neighborhood?"

Actually, a couple days ago.
I see it all the time in the 2 back yards that border mine.
And my kids did the same when they were growing up. So did their friends.

I really don't think it's not as bad out there as some folks would have you believe.

And to answer the original question - No.

I watched the CNN series on the 60's, 70's, and 80's recently (on Netflix) and I was reminded that the world has always been pretty screwed up with all sorts of horrors and stresses.

With social media and the 24/7 "news" providers, we now get all that stuff thrown in our faces - early and often. Some of it is even accurate. (;^D)
The trick, these days, is to properly gather and filter all the "information" we get from all those sources.

So, things are different. I don't know that they're worse. Some are, some aren't.

I still look forward to every day.


probably working on

someones car
Oct 4th, 2017 08:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

same as it ever was. technology is just different.

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South Florida

Oct 4th, 2017 10:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

It's always been a complaint. I'm sure in Ancient Greece Socrates went around complaining the current generation of Hopplites were a bunch of wimps and back in the day when he fought in the Phalanx that was 'real man fighting'.

I think it's what got him the Hemlock cocktail.

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