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Taildragger
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"toxic masculinity personified"
Oct 3rd, 2017 09:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This is meant to be more of a question about cultural attitudes: please let's try to dodge the DOB by NOT drifting into party politics. Thank you.

Kids today complain that they have no hope for a future. Heck, when I was in grade school, we were doing regular "duck-and-cover" drills in "preparation" for nuclear war, hiding under our desks, expecting to maybe be vaporized on short notice: not exactly something to promote a child's rosy outlook about what's to come.

Are kids today "softer" and "whinier" in general, or does it just seem that way from my curmudgeonly perspective? I know this is a gross generalization, and that we can all site young folks we know who are doing just fine. But what say you on average/in general?



BTW: GET OFF MY FREAKIN' LAWN!

professor
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Oct 3rd, 2017 09:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's the answer- would you rather be your age right now or 19? Not 19 with your current knowledge; just you thrown back to 19 with a head full of mush similar to what you were like in 1966.

I'd pick 19 any day of the week. Every period has its challenges.

(This message was last edited by professor at 11:36 AM, Oct 3rd, 2017)

longhair55

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Oct 3rd, 2017 09:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah,. I remember the "drills',. and even when I got "older",. never thought I would live much past 30,. but my Son,. when he was younger had the same outlook,. thought he'd never be able to buy a house,. and figured he would live in his car,.. Kids can't look very far into their future,. today he's in his 30's,. married two kids,. owns his own home,. doing much better than I at that same age,..

Whinier and soft?,. probably compared to our generation,.. I mean now a days,. parents can't hit 'em,. they can't be "bullied",.. every body gets a star, they, for the most part, wouldn't even get outta the house! (when the last time you've seen a bunch of kids playing a game of baseball/football,. or anything in your neighborhood?

(This message was last edited by longhair55 at 11:39 AM, Oct 3rd, 2017)

Jake
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Oct 3rd, 2017 09:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No.

reverend mikey
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Oct 3rd, 2017 09:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm glad I'm NOT a kid today...their lives are so overscheduled and overprogrammed... when do they ever get a break? Mom (or Dad) are always driving them (or flying with them!) to the next big event.

I'm so thankful for all the down time I had as a kid ... otherwise I never would have had time to learn to play guitar.

reverend mikey
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Oct 3rd, 2017 09:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not to mention time to spin records, read comic books, and hang out with my friends doing the above...

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Oct 3rd, 2017 10:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, the world didn’t end as predicted, so we’ve got that going for us!

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Oct 3rd, 2017 10:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I remember reading a book by Taylor Caldwell called "Dialogues with the Devil". As I recall, it was presented as formal letter exchanges between Michael the archangel and Lucifer. Michael was appealing with Lucifer not to hand the civilization of a planet called Melina some nondescript weapon of self annihilation. As a teenage reader, I envisioned some scientific apparatus like nuclear weaponry. As an adult I've whimsically pondered something more along the lines of social media.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 10:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Social media and nanny-state mentality has certainly changed the social fabric of how we learn about things, share information, and engage with each other.

But are general stress levels different? I think not. We adults are unable to relate to young peoples' stresses strictly because of our older, wiser, more experienced perspectives on life. It's all the same over time.

Heck--in the late 1800s there were *children* working in factories in dismal conditions!

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Oct 3rd, 2017 10:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No. 24/7 media, the internet, all the in your face stuff is hard to escape. I'm with professor; I'd rather be 19 than 66 today. A lot of hot young women won't pay attention to me these days.

Taildragger
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"toxic masculinity personified"
Oct 3rd, 2017 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"A lot of hot young women won't pay attention to me these days."


Don't you just love it when they call you, "sir", Chris?

Not...

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Jim
Oct 3rd, 2017 10:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My Father in Law was born in 1900. Horse and buggy times. Before he passed in 1996 he told me that he did not fit today's world. Most of his contemporaries died 30 years in the past.

I'm an analog guy in a digital world. In my formative years electric guitars and tube amps were cutting edge. Today not so much.

College was a 4 year program (if you didn't keep up you were drafted). I wanted to leave home and be on my own after high school. I'm not sure many people think that way today.



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Oct 3rd, 2017 11:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We live in the safest time in human history. I know...there are plenty of horrible things that happen every day, but for the vast majority of the 7.5 billion people on Earth, things are better for them now than has ever been.

My Dad always said that 99.9% of human beings are decent people, but that still leaves 7.5 million rotten souls in our world, and this is who we hear about on a daily basis...not the 99.9% that are good.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 11:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I remember being taught about the USSR and how the phones were tapped and neighbors spyed on neighbors.

Seems like we are in that place here.

catnineblue

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Oct 3rd, 2017 11:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Every aspect of stress has changed since I was a kid compared to what kids face today.

For example there were always bullies except now with social media it's changed. With a fist fight it used to end. Stress at different levels.

I know what it was like for me as a kid. I don't know any kids today except for what I see.

I wanted a guitar some kids still do. I had to work for it. I don't know if things come easier for some kids today, they did for some kids back in my day, most it didn't.

I wouldn't want to be a kid today and I can't say it was easy when i was one. It's just a different world today how can one compare.



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Oct 3rd, 2017 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

These days I'm an art teacher at an elementary school. The assignments of the "solid" subjects, Math, English, Science, are assessed and translated into "data" that is shared across the state. Of course, it's based on standardized testing.

This has knocked off most of the high-points of anything exceptional that teachers can put forth. They are as if on rails. The interesting characters that taught most of us would feel boxed in by the requirements. Teachers give up the profession in droves, so there is a constant influx of new and inexperienced teachers.

The careers of the staff and the future of the kids hangs on the data. Even the property value of the neighborhood is at stake. Such pressure has driven many kids to not give a crap anymore, and I don't blame them.

As the art teacher, I resist letting art class become victim to this, but I often have various "academic coaches" and the like from the upper echelons of the school district ask to see my "data wall". I just look at them like they're nuts and hope they go away.

(This message was last edited by WireDog at 02:27 PM, Oct 3rd, 2017)

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Oct 3rd, 2017 12:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My kids are too busy working and taking care of my two year old grand daughters to worry much about the handbasket. They all are in their early thirties, own houses, and have been working since before they graduated HS. I could not be more proud of them.

Kids complaining that they have no hope for the future were not raised properly.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 12:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Screw their data wall...keep doing what you do.

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insanecooker

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Oct 3rd, 2017 12:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Are kids today "softer"(...)?"

Yes.

Strength of grip declines in young adults

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Oct 3rd, 2017 01:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No. To comment further I'd have to get political.

Too many people believe the media however. All bad news or spun to be bad news or even fake news. No disrespect intended here but how many times did Tom Petty die and come back to life yesterday? Too freakin many!

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