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Jake
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Oct 3rd, 2017 06:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great news 101.

I think I am invoking my "wait two weeks" rule.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So at a press conference right now, an SAC for the ATF confirmed, as so many gun experts suspected, these firearms were NOT full auto but had bumpfire stocks installed. Also, the number of dead is 58 plus the murderer for a total of 59.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not to be morbid but, what would have happened if he had used aimed fire?



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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Not to be morbid but, what would have happened if he had used aimed fire?"

He would have probably killed less people ... IMO

Aimed or aimless, when you are shooting into a crowd of over 20,000 people confined to an enclosed space aim is not important.

Not to be morbid, but more bullets in less time before the crowd can react and is at maximum density (before they can disperse) is where the high hit rate came from. Or so it seems to me.

I can add: It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where most of the victims will be hit while he shoots into a dense standing crowd from above.

(This message was last edited by BlondeStrat at 11:52 PM, Oct 3rd, 2017)

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Oct 4th, 2017 07:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Now hearing he had been prescribed anti anxiety medication in June. Not that taking such medications would be any indication that he might do this, it seems like half the country is on anti anxiety medication.

But, perhaps its a clue to what else may have been going on in his life that pushed him over the edge. Or perhaps we'll never know.

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Oct 4th, 2017 08:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The use of these meds (benzos) can result in loss of inhibition in some.

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Oct 4th, 2017 08:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The use of these meds (benzos) can result in loss of inhibition in some. "

It's possible. But again, that's quite a leap. Millions of people take those meds and don't do what he did.

Not saying they couldn't have contributed to it, but in terms of looking for a "cause", I would be hard pressed to argue that anti anxiety meds were it.

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Oct 4th, 2017 08:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We are back to mental illness though. ;-)

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Oct 4th, 2017 08:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Trolls promulgated false reports after the shootings about shooters identity, motives, which were shared, retweeted adding to the fog and suspicions.

(This message was last edited by professor at 10:48 AM, Oct 4th, 2017)

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Oct 4th, 2017 08:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"We are back to mental illness though. ;-)"

To the extent you can argue that anxiety is a mental illness, I guess we are. I don't really consider someone with anxiety as being mentally ill. You can have psychological conditions and disorders without mental illness, in my opinion.

I myself have suffered from depression and anxiety and I do not consider myself to be "mentally ill".

It would explain some of my posts, though.

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Oct 4th, 2017 08:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well stated mfitz804...and ditto.

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Oct 4th, 2017 09:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I don't really consider someone with anxiety as being mentally ill. You can have psychological conditions and disorders without mental illness, in my opinion."

Were we are is back to: “psychotropic drugs”

As I posted back on page four of this thread ...

"Virtually every single one of these mass murderer incidents involve a person on “psychotropic drugs” (usually prescribed) and the ones that don't are of the radical terrorist type."


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Oct 4th, 2017 09:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"thoughts of suicide" is a common potential side effect of many of those meds

But there are plenty of psychopaths who don't think they have a problem; their mental state is just what it is, and waiting for the right time to burst out of their carefully controlled and socially acceptable shell; Ted Bundy for example. I'd say that many "terrorists" are psychopaths who have an ideology /belief system out of convenience or excuse.

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Oct 4th, 2017 09:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you are chemically treated for a mental condition, what is that?

What about counseling?

It’s a question of severity. But isn’t it all mental illness? I’m not pointing fingers. I’m in the group myself. I have been treated for depression and also anxiety. In fact, the med I was on for that was much more potent than Vallium. For 3 months I did that. It was acute, for sure. But I also have the genetic predisposition. It’s in my family.

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 11:44 AM, Oct 4th, 2017)

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Oct 4th, 2017 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just outed myself as a nut job. ;-P

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larryguitar
Oct 4th, 2017 10:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm in the same club. Anxiety and depression. It's probably a common thing amongst musicians and artists. I don't consider that a mental illness.

Jake
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Oct 4th, 2017 10:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had some chronic anxiety, if it were much worse I would say it was an illness definitely.

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Oct 4th, 2017 10:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm not convinced mental illness or depression necessarily had to have anything to do with this. The guy could have been completely in his right mind, and just chose to do evil.

We can't acknowledge EVIL? And that it exists to some extent in all of us? We're all a combination of good and evil; we all get to choose between good and evil. This guy chose evil.

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Oct 4th, 2017 10:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mikey, I'm with you that there is evil in this world and in our species. I don't know why we can't acknowledge that. It's not a religious thing in my mind, there are simply people who are evil. As to the why, something in them is wired wrong.

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Oct 4th, 2017 10:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"It's not a religious thing in my mind, there are simply people who are evil. As to the why, something in them is wired wrong."

Now if you throw anxiety, depression, etc. on TOP of that, it might account for how these things happen and why this guy would choose to take the course of action he took while a "regular" person with anxiety and depression wouldn't.

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