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SS2

Alexandria, Virginia

Oct 1st, 2017 06:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Quit flushing the damn baby wipes down the toilet!"

"We're not."

"Uh-huh, well the first one in line was still white, fresh. Four clumps this time. This is the 4th/5th time in 2 years... I don't think they're swimming up the sewer from the street and the same ones I'm pulling out sure look like ones in the box of them on that cabinet."

And I get to do this for free... glad I bought a Ridgid K-380 years ago.

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Oct 1st, 2017 06:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If they flushed the HEIC wipes you wouldn’t have these problems.

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Oct 1st, 2017 07:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"The Sewer Snakes"

Great band name...

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Oct 2nd, 2017 08:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Luckily, a plunger has always worked for me, but just curious,
how many feet is the Rigid? You snake it right down the toilet?
You pull stuff out that is deep in?

SS2

Alexandria, Virginia

Oct 2nd, 2017 09:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My Ridgid has a 75' cable. Never tried it , but I doubt you could get it to fit/snake down a toilet, it'd be tight and probably damage the porcelain. You'd need to remove the toilet and snake down the waste pipe (how I normally need to do it).

This time I went down the main stack clean out. Luckily noticed at some previous time someone broke out the old cast iron plug and replaced it with a PVC plug. The old cast iron threads in the fitting are pretty roached, and I was only able to get a few couple threads in... Megaloc thread sealer to the rescue and no leak.

Probably hit the first clog at 20' or so. I ran it down almost the entire cable to make sure I didn't just push some further down... pulling it out, I had 4-5 different mats wrapped in the cable over the front 25-30 feet.

jazzguy

Philly, B-3 Capital

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Oct 2nd, 2017 09:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've been dealing w/this every year for the last 5 or so.
huge tree next door has branches breaking through the old terra cotta pipe.
been renting a 100' snake that's just long enough.
probably have to dig up the driveway and replace that pipe sooner than later.


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Oct 2nd, 2017 10:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry for the dumb question, ahhh...you have to take the toilet off :-).

SS2

Alexandria, Virginia

Oct 2nd, 2017 10:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

^ Not a dumb question... there are toilet augers that you can use for a toilet clog, but they are only about 3' or so long... Also, you could probably run one of the 1/4" hand crank snakes through a toilet, think I done that back before I bought the power unit years ago. These things are usually only 20-25' long and a 1/4" snake doesn't work very well in 4" waste pipes.

I could tell by running different sinks and toilets and watching how fast it took for the floor drain or tub to backup that it was somewhere in the main line downstream from all the drains feeding into it.

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Oct 2nd, 2017 11:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Some years ago when my sewer backed up a plumber ran one of those motorized augers into the main clean out in my basement. He went out until he hit mud.

Turned out the ground shifted outside and broke my sewer pipe in half about 10 feet out from my house.

Front yard got dug up to fix that,

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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A year ago I had my front yard dug up because the street connection cleanout (a 6' vertical stack with a screw-on cap) was cracked at the bottom where it joined the main from the house, and tree roots had infiltrated, completely blocking the 8" main.

If you have a run of bad terra cotta, lead, etc., pipe, it may be cheaper to get it epoxy sleeved, rather than digging it all up and replacing it. A video inspection is necessary to determine if that's feasible.

If you have Orangeburg ("tar paper") sewer line, no licensed plumber will repair that stuff...it must be replaced.

Epoxy sleeve process

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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There is a special place in hell for the inventor and marketers of Orangeburg drain pipe...

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Oct 3rd, 2017 08:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Perhaps, but largely due to WWI and WWII, there were critical shortages of metals.

The need for an alternative pipe material was also critical because of the building boom.

Orangeburg (laminated paper/fiber vulcanized with coal tar) was the best option given the current situation.

SS2

Alexandria, Virginia

Oct 3rd, 2017 09:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm fairly certain I have Orangeburg pipe. Seen houses on the street having theirs replaced... Not sure how old mine is because the house was converted from septic to sewer at sometime way before I bought. I won't be surprised when it fails, but not looking forward to the expense.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 09:24 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My wife and I bought another fixer upper in Ft Lauderdale this winter. No disclosure statement from the seller since she had been renting the house for the last 10 years. House is 3000 sq ft under air, 3 bdr and 3.5 baths, built in 1962.

As part of our inspection pre-closing, we paid extra to have our plumber scope the drain lines which are cast iron. The bathrooms are in all corners of the house and the sewer line fun to the street is another 70 ft for a whopping 230 ft of cast iron.

Scope video showed several places where the pipe had rotted through on the bottom and some root infiltration. Pipes and fixtures still drained but the system will need to be replaced eventually. Tunneling under the slab is the method we would do since cutting up the floors through the entire house is not our first choice.

Prices on tunneling run from $250-400 a foot. I got a guy who gave me a price of $30,000. We explained the situation to the seller and she was willing to knock another $15K off the agreed purchase price. Cool! The tunneling job is on the back burner for time being while we do other reno projects that are more important.

Next house I buy in Florida is going to done, done and done before I move in

(This message was last edited by picnic at 08:57 AM, Oct 5th, 2017)

jay1vinton

Hawaii, USA

Perfect is the enemy of good enough
Oct 4th, 2017 03:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have an unusual system in my drive way. we live at the top of a cliff, but in the lowest house in the neighborhood.

Flooding used to be a problem from toilets and tubs. The back flow preventer had failed decades ago.

They added a lift station pump to force main the debris and water to the sanitary. It's also a grinder pump and wipes etc, just get destroyed and pumped out. I think the City and County has replaced the pump twice in a decade.

It's a good system, I don't and didn't pay for it, and we have one of probably 20 on Oahu for similar situations. Before, when monsoon came, it was wetvac all night...or day.

(This message was last edited by jay1vinton at 05:06 PM, Oct 4th, 2017)

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Oct 5th, 2017 05:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's a pic of

jay1vinton's house

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Oct 5th, 2017 07:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

jay likes to live on the edge.

At my house in NJ, the county mandated sewers be installed 20 years ago for all residences. I have 5 septic systems on my property for 2 houses and 3 commercial buildings. This is gonna be expensive. But,,,,,

I'm 2500ft to the main sewer line and there is a hill with a 30 foot rise in the middle. Estimates for a pump lift station ran $120,000 20 years ago. The town would have to pay for this. Somehow though the mandatory municipal sewer requirement went away.

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