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6L6
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Oct 1st, 2017 11:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Got confronted yesterday in Truckee, CA by a very large coyote while playing golf. He looked hungry and seemed very pissed off.

I grabbed my sand wedge as the only weapon at hand, but he thankfully backed off and disappeared into the brush.

I often walk my 18 lb dog in these parts (Australian Labradoodle) and he would be no match for any coyote or, worse yet, pack of coyotes. SO...

I’m thinking about buying a .357 as a self defense weapon only. We also have bears and mountain lions in these parts, so they are a consideration too.

Would like your suggestions on a good double action .357 and what you think would be the best load for it (thinking mainly about coyote defense).

Thanks,

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Pinetree
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Oct 1st, 2017 11:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Something like

this.

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Oct 1st, 2017 11:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hiking, I carry a Smith & Wesson 640, which is a 5 shot stainless snub nose revolver. I carry it in a DeSantis IWB holster. I use Federal 158 grain Hydra-Shok JHP ammo. My 640 has an enclosed hammer you can only shoot it double action. The advantage is no hammer spur to snag drawing it.

I sometimes instead carry a 9mm or even a 44 Mag, but you asked about 357 double action revolvers.

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Oct 1st, 2017 11:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can't imagine shooting a coyote anywhere in California would end well for you. That said, I'd look for a used S&W Model 28 AKA Highway Patrolman with the 4" barrel. I own two and they are exceptional, well-balanced N frame revolvers. The 28 is the plain version of the legendary Model 27.

As far as loads, I don't keep up with them these days. Everyone around here shoots coyotes (considered varmints/pests in Idaho) with rifles of all sorts.

CG's Model 28's

(This message was last edited by Chris Greene at 01:41 PM, Oct 1st, 2017)

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Oct 1st, 2017 11:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Of course, Model 28's are heavy and bulky so might not be great to carry concealed or in your golf bag.

Personally, I'd look for a smaller firearm in .380 or .38 but you live in one of the most unfriendly gun states in the country and anything you do is rife with potential legal problems. I don't think there's much concern from a lone coyote attack on humans but maybe a small pooch is another story.

Hearing packs of coyotes out here in the country is commonplace at night. I don't think twice about it or going out with my telescope at night.

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Oct 1st, 2017 12:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I second Pinetree's motion. Rugged, no-nonsense, dependable.

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Oct 1st, 2017 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I love my GP100 but I wouldn't want to carry it -- unless you are planning to strap a holster to your golf cart. But some guys do carry it --

I have a SP101 with a 3" barrel for woods carry -- if I were only concerned with 'yotes I'd only carry it with .38 +P.

I run into coyotes often when I'm walking my dog -- granted these are east coast versions, but I just yell and wave my walking stick at them and they usually scram.


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Oct 1st, 2017 12:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used to have a Ruger Security Six in 357 Mag. It was a accurate and well made revolver.

I second Pinetree's rceommendation.

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Oct 1st, 2017 12:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BTW: unusually aggressive behavior on the part of coyotes can be a sign that they are infected with rabies.

Symptoms:

•Craving to eat anything, including inedible objects

•Constant growling and barking

•Dilated pupils

•Disorientation

•Erratic behavior

•Episodes of aggression

•Facial expression showing anxiety and hyperalertness

•Irritability

•No fear of natural enemies (e.g., wild animals may not be afraid of people)

•Restlessness

•Roaming

•Seizures

•Trembling and muscle inco-ordination


Taildragger
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Oct 1st, 2017 12:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mebbe strap you a Shockwave in a scabbard t'yer golf cart?

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Oct 1st, 2017 12:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If one gets close enough to me to make out the "dilated pupils" I'm going to put it out of it's misery.

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Oct 1st, 2017 01:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I only mentioned the rabies possibility because, at least in my experience, healthy coyotes are VERY wary of adult humans and tend to avoid contact with them.


Pinetree
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Oct 1st, 2017 01:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You may be tempted to purchase a Taurus brand revolver based upon price.


Don't.


Buy a used Smith or Ruger instead.



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Oct 1st, 2017 01:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for all the great input above!

Chris: I hear you loud and clear about the situation in CA.

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Oct 1st, 2017 02:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Are you thinking a full size revolver or a compact one? That's probably your first decision. I think it's going to be hard to carry a full size revolver concealed. Now if you have the Caddy Shack Golf Bag, then you should have plenty of space for a full size piece :)

(This message was last edited by ECS-3 at 04:53 PM, Oct 1st, 2017)

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Oct 1st, 2017 03:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sand wedge? You need at LEAST a 4-iron for a coyote, or you'll come up short!




And any S&W or Ruger will do. I have a S&W 2.5" in stainless, and .357 is my favorite caliber.

Pretty weird to see one during the day. Did it look mangey (bad coat, red skin)?

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Oct 1st, 2017 03:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If I were going to stick with .357 I’d be looking for a fixed sight 3” like a SP101 or a S&W 65.

Edit - I just noticed a Talo special 3” GP100 with Novak fixed sights on the Ruger website - another option.

(This message was last edited by HeavyDuty at 05:30 PM, Oct 1st, 2017)

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Oct 1st, 2017 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Anything you would carry for protection against 2 legged critters should work on coyotes.

Out of production but you get the idea.

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Oct 1st, 2017 03:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I can't imagine shooting a coyote anywhere in California would end well for you. "


+1

There's a certain contingent that would rather see you mauled to death that see an "innocent and beautiful" wild animal shot.

Good luck with what you decide.

FWIW, I have a cheapo Rossi 5 shooter that has never failed, but I don't know if I'd bet my life on it. It's just a fun range gun.

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Oct 1st, 2017 03:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Then again, it would be hard to beat a Glock 33 which pretty much duplicates a 125 grain .357 Mag in a semiauto envelope. Of course, I’m biased. ;-)

Glock 33

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