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littleuch
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Sep 30th, 2017 12:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't want to dismiss the possibility because a group of people have decided to exploit the concept. While the ancients may have been more brilliant than we give them credit for, you do have to wonder "what for?" on some of these things. But since our species can't agree on what happened just yesterday, I'd say the simplest explanation isn't necessarily aliens.

Civilizations have been lost. And with them certainly went unique skills.



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Sep 30th, 2017 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If aliens were helping the ancients why didn’t they show them how to make steel or aluminum, instead of using rock? Also, where is all the high tech trash they would have generated?

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Sep 30th, 2017 12:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I do believe that everything that was built was built by humans. But I'm not so sure about the DNA thing. We seem to be the aliens that we are looking for. We are not by nature adapted into this habitat and we have to alter it to suit us, and we are the only species that has both that need and that ability. That seems pretty alien to me.

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Sep 30th, 2017 01:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Also, where is all the high tech trash they would have generated?"

How would we recognize it if it wasn't steel, aluminum or plastic. Aluminum was at one time the most expensive
Metal known, and not too long ago either.

Steel became a most valuable metal and has been around for a fairly long time.

A lot was done with copper, silver, gold and bronze. Metals that are inherently recyclable, being re-purposes by the next generation, if the items became archaic.

Ancient items made out of gold were routinely melted down into ingots, by the conquerers, without any intelligence gained about those who created it. The historical assumption is if we can so easily conquer them, they have very little we can gain by their technology or science.

Loosing the library of Alexander was likely one of the great losses of information that has ever occured, and this we did to ourselves.

If aliens were anything like us they would just blast off all the atmosphere, drain the H2O and stripmine the planet for useful minerals, If they were here and had observed us for any lenght of time, I'd imagine that's exactly what they would do. Or maybe they aren't like us "o)

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Sep 30th, 2017 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The first thing an Archaeologist does is look for the trash that it left behind. If you listen to the show these aliens have been behind every ancient civilization on Earth! Yet they have left nothing behind. No blaster ray batteries, dead communicators or souvenirs from other stops on their journey, nothing, not a shred. If it's not in the trash, it didn't happen.

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Sep 30th, 2017 04:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, just a bunch of pottery shards "o) We got some pretty cool shell midden over towards Cedar Key.

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Sep 30th, 2017 04:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There is YouTube video that takes apart every theory on Ancient Aliens, theory by theory. Sometimes I feel that ancient people were visited but then again, no one left behind an xbox or p-38 Space modulator behind that would have been discovered by archaeologists.

I do feel that mankind is pretty much as intelligent as it has always been save for technology. Mankind thousands of years ago didn't have much to do except figure things out once they became civilizations. When mankind learned how to farm, they didn't have to spend most of their time hunting for weeks at a time. It was at that point that they probably started actually studying things like nature, the stars and the like. DNA and evolution on the other hand are things I just can't explain. I can't imagine that all life forms on Earth were just evolution from bacteria. Why should things evolve.

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Sep 30th, 2017 07:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

'I can't imagine that all life forms on Earth were just evolution from bacteria. Why should things evolve."

The end of the pre-Cambrian era was when things got crazy, no ideas of how or why it happened. Bacteria/alge ruled. Early in the Cambrian era all the phylums developed, in a relatively short amount of time. Evolution seems to be driven by constant improvement within the phylum. Towards some goal?

The question I have, is it a freak accident, a form of biological mechanism, intelligent design, maybe some influence from the multiverse. Who knows but it seems pretty clear that phylum ancestors are more primitive than contemporary life forms.

Some very interesting forces on fauna evolution by the flora. Attributing any of this to Aliens is the easy way out, what happened on earth is more crazy and amazing than anything we can dream up. We don't even know if carbon is the only foundation for life or if it isn't. Don't even want to think about intelligent sulfer based life forms, certainly wouldn't want to sit next to one on a long flight, though they could be charming "o)

500,000 year old sparkplug !?!

(This message was last edited by hushnel at 09:08 PM, Sep 30th, 2017)

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Sep 30th, 2017 07:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think stress on a system causes genetic mutations to increase. That's why we see some "living fossils" relatively unchanged because they live in a stable environment. Pre-Cambrian environment, and others, were probably pretty stressful.

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Sep 30th, 2017 08:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

At the present rate, humans will eventually become so stupid, they won't be able to do anything at all.

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Sep 30th, 2017 11:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Think of the people watching the History Channel.

People are....stupid, but those folks...even dumber still.

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Oct 1st, 2017 06:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the same problem with "Ancient Aliens" as I do with UFO fanatics, survivors of alien abductions, ghost hunters, Bigfoot and the appearance of religious apparitions.

Human beings are wildly successful at coming up with the most fantastic explanations for things they either can't explain or don't understand.

Personal anecdote:
One night in 1979 I was dispatched to an address in a modest bedroom community in my patrol area.
The homeowner was complaining of people standing on his lawn, gazing raptly at his garage.

There were about a dozen people on the lawn when I got there. I asked a couple of them what they were doing. They pointed at a shadow on the garage door and explained in hushed tones that the image of Jesus Christ on the cross had miraculously appeared after sunset.

I walked back and forth, looking at the shadow from different angles .... just looked like jumble of shapes to me. I convinced the faithful to get off the guy's lawn and do their gazing from the sidewalk. I cleared the call and went back on patrol.

Two hours later I was sent back. Someone had alerted the media to this garage door miracle and the crowd had swelled to over a hundred. They were still arriving as I drove up, along with a catering truck and an amateur doomsday prophet preaching through a bullhorn. People were literally on their knees, praying to this shadow.

Every so often, one of the observers would dash to the wooden garage door and pry a splinter off as a holy relic, before melding back into the crowd. The homeowner was furious. He told me that he had just listed the house for sale and this mass hysteria was not the kind of attention he wanted. Home for sale? Just listed? Hmmmmmm....

That's when I noticed the shadow was being cast on the garage door due to an overhead streetlamp, whose light was deflecting first through a tree and then going on to include the For Sale sign staked on the lawn, like the Hang Man symbol used in the paper and pencil word-guessing game.

I pointed this out to the homeowner, who promptly strode out to the sign, uprooted it and laid it flat on the lawn. The crowd gasped as the apparition vanished. Now it was just a shadow of a bunch of leaves. The cross was gone. No cross, no crucified Jesus. No miracle.
The people dusted off their knees and dispersed on their own.

Not every shadow is "a sign". Not every orb in the sky is a craft from another galaxy. True in 1979 and true now. Our modern media and social platforms are turning people into non critical, gullible half wits. IMHO.

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Oct 1st, 2017 07:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's part of human nature to come up with "belief systems" to make sense of the world around us and explain what we don't understand. We must have an answer, even if we have to make one up. We see this in all times and in all cultures.

Maybe it's part of our survival mechanisms and how we got this far. We may be wrong but we are satisfied with our answer and scoff with righteous indignation at the non-believers. ; )

(This message was last edited by j!mi at 09:33 AM, Oct 1st, 2017)

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Oct 1st, 2017 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We are an inquisitive species it's part of the bagage that comes with an active mind.

It breaks down into a couple groups, the worst are the ones that supply the answers we crave for either profit or power. The scientific method helps cut through the BS, but it is not immune to junk science cropping up from time to time.

Education helps but is also no guarantee that logic or the scientific method will be followed to the letter.

Classical logic should be started in Kindergarten. The Ancient Alien guys cloak their argument in classical logic taking liberties with false premises. Ancient Astronaut Theorists say yes, doesn't make a valid premise or support a logical conclusion.

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Oct 1st, 2017 09:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"People are....stupid, but those folks...even dumber still."

"Ancient Astronaut Theorists say yes, doesn't make a valid premise or support a logical conclusion."

It does make for some entertaining TV though.

There are plenty out there that say the same thing about the belief in God.

Disclaimer: Not trying to bring "religion" into the discussion, just a comparison of ways of thinking that some view as irrational. ;)

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Oct 1st, 2017 10:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds"

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Oct 1st, 2017 11:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What a person knows or believes personally can not logically be proven, unless your Einstein and have the intellect to back it up with provable facts.

In matters of spirituality and faith it can become contentious, better to avoid the conversation in mixed company. It is frustrating to know something that is a personal fact yet is unprovable. Everybody believes in gravity, prof of it's existence is inarguable, evidence is overwhelming, yet it was not understood. Other dimensions are not so evident yet physics is exploring and heading in that direction.

It could be that science will someday understand the awareness or knowedge of the spiritual and how perceptions grasp that which proof and science is incapable, as yet, of perceiving. Or not.

Is their a soul "o) prove it. I happen to be one who does not need proof. Or maybe It's been proven to me but not in a way that can be argued with classical logic. It is an interesting topic but too emotional for many to include here.

If one has faith in existence of Big Foot fine, I'll buy the t-shirt but if you start trying to prove it's existence you better show me one, same with Aliens.

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Oct 1st, 2017 11:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"It is an interesting topic but too emotional for many to include here."

And as I stated, not intended to be included here other than as an example.


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Oct 1st, 2017 11:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I absolutely believe the universe is teeming with intelligent life forms. That we will ever meet them is something for maybe 1000 years or more from now. I do not believe for a moment that we have been discovered much less visited by any of them.

For me, to think we are the only intelligent life forms in the universe is arrogant and statistically impossible. They just don't know we exist.

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Oct 1st, 2017 01:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And it would be a huge waste of perfectly good space!

Whether it’s politics, religion or economic theory, you believe what you do based on the sum of your past experiences in a way that makes sense to you. Many people will pick and choose from different belief systems and custom make one for themselves. People from different cultures and from past times had different experiences and should have different beliefs.

Ancient Aliens is a valid hypotheses but their application of logic and scientific method is seriously flawed.

I think it’s just a big infomercial to sell their books ect.

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