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hushnel
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Sep 30th, 2017 09:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What’s up with the general media assumption that all the efforts and success of humanity is by the influence of Aliens, off world intelligence. Did mom and dad let the young ones fall asleep while the TV was playing Star Wars?

How can “Ancient Aliens” be in it’s 12th season. I started watching it because of the Archeology, mainstream wasn’t dealing with, probably because they’re still under study. It gave me new sources of sites.

Then I had to consider, if the government wanted to convince us that the whole idea is ridiculous, get a big hair guy who can turn wild assumptions into fact in one sentence, who’d take that seriously. Naw, the government pulling off something like that.

I think the thing that bothers me most is the assumption that our ancestors where not capable of producing magnificent machines and structures. We’ve been around for a good amount of time, pre ice age civilization would have fallen during the ice age and those that developed during would be under 200 to almost 400 feet of ocean today.

It’s not that I think extra terrestrial life is not a possibility, it would seem more unbelievable if it wasn’t. It’s a big universe with endless possibilities/probabilities. Why would they come here. Kind of like Paris Hilton going to the Amazon to study the indigenous people.

The show is well produced. They totally mess with the laws of logic but I do watch it from time to time.




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Sep 30th, 2017 10:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"What’s up with the general media assumption that all the efforts and success of humanity is by the influence of Aliens, off world intelligence?"

Ungrateful Earthman!

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Sep 30th, 2017 10:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I dug up "In Search of Ancient Astronauts" on Netflix recently. The one from the 70's, narrated by Rod Serling. Still tickles the whimsy like it did when I first watched it in school.

Edit, I think it was on YouTube, not Netflix.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 12:07 PM, Sep 30th, 2017)

Taildragger
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Sep 30th, 2017 10:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Fangool! Place the insolent swine in the cerebral nebulizer!

hushnel
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Sep 30th, 2017 10:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

''Place the insolent swine in the cerebral nebulizer"

Dad did that, they called it the University of Florida

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Sep 30th, 2017 10:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Panspermia!

longhair55

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Sep 30th, 2017 11:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I think the thing that bothers me most is the assumption that our ancestors where not capable of producing magnificent machines and structures."

That's what gets me too,. they get into, "we can't do that today,. so it had to be aliens".
It's all relative,.. whom ever built the pyramid's probably would have trouble programming a VCR.




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Sep 30th, 2017 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I think the thing that bothers me most is the assumption that our ancestors where not capable of producing magnificent machines and structures."

That bugs me, too. Calling on aliens to explain how ancient civilizations produced built monuments that still amaze today, just replaces one mystery with another. Also, it insults the intelligence and ingenuity of said civilizations.

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Sep 30th, 2017 11:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I watch it to see the first time that ancient astronaut theorists will actually say "no" !

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Sep 30th, 2017 11:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just have one question.

Hmmmm?

hushnel
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Sep 30th, 2017 12:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The pyramids include some pretty sophisticated geometry.

The Egyptians fixed the exact center of earths pole, they were aware of the progression of the axis or as we more sophistatced earthlings call the wobble. They measured the progression of the axis for 1/6 of it's circle, using sticks, and extrapolated the exact center using trigonometry. The degrees of earths rotation is included in the sides of its base and the distance from the base to the apex is pi. There is other stuff too but beyond my novice understanding.

You want to see some crazy human understanding of the universe study the Aztec calendar, that starts some 16.4 billion years ago. It's all interesting stuff, no doubt, some of it may be misunderstood but technology blamed on alien scapegoats is just insulting. "o)

Willie, go to one of their annual conventions and ask "If all of the sophisticated achetecture, machines and mathematics was designed and used by ancient humans coud it be possisible that their are no ancient aliens "o)

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Sep 30th, 2017 12:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I don't want to dismiss the possibility because a group of people have decided to exploit the concept. While the ancients may have been more brilliant than we give them credit for, you do have to wonder "what for?" on some of these things. But since our species can't agree on what happened just yesterday, I'd say the simplest explanation isn't necessarily aliens.

Civilizations have been lost. And with them certainly went unique skills.



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Sep 30th, 2017 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If aliens were helping the ancients why didn’t they show them how to make steel or aluminum, instead of using rock? Also, where is all the high tech trash they would have generated?

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Sep 30th, 2017 12:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I do believe that everything that was built was built by humans. But I'm not so sure about the DNA thing. We seem to be the aliens that we are looking for. We are not by nature adapted into this habitat and we have to alter it to suit us, and we are the only species that has both that need and that ability. That seems pretty alien to me.

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Sep 30th, 2017 01:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Also, where is all the high tech trash they would have generated?"

How would we recognize it if it wasn't steel, aluminum or plastic. Aluminum was at one time the most expensive
Metal known, and not too long ago either.

Steel became a most valuable metal and has been around for a fairly long time.

A lot was done with copper, silver, gold and bronze. Metals that are inherently recyclable, being re-purposes by the next generation, if the items became archaic.

Ancient items made out of gold were routinely melted down into ingots, by the conquerers, without any intelligence gained about those who created it. The historical assumption is if we can so easily conquer them, they have very little we can gain by their technology or science.

Loosing the library of Alexander was likely one of the great losses of information that has ever occured, and this we did to ourselves.

If aliens were anything like us they would just blast off all the atmosphere, drain the H2O and stripmine the planet for useful minerals, If they were here and had observed us for any lenght of time, I'd imagine that's exactly what they would do. Or maybe they aren't like us "o)

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Sep 30th, 2017 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The first thing an Archaeologist does is look for the trash that it left behind. If you listen to the show these aliens have been behind every ancient civilization on Earth! Yet they have left nothing behind. No blaster ray batteries, dead communicators or souvenirs from other stops on their journey, nothing, not a shred. If it's not in the trash, it didn't happen.

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Sep 30th, 2017 04:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, just a bunch of pottery shards "o) We got some pretty cool shell midden over towards Cedar Key.

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Sep 30th, 2017 04:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There is YouTube video that takes apart every theory on Ancient Aliens, theory by theory. Sometimes I feel that ancient people were visited but then again, no one left behind an xbox or p-38 Space modulator behind that would have been discovered by archaeologists.

I do feel that mankind is pretty much as intelligent as it has always been save for technology. Mankind thousands of years ago didn't have much to do except figure things out once they became civilizations. When mankind learned how to farm, they didn't have to spend most of their time hunting for weeks at a time. It was at that point that they probably started actually studying things like nature, the stars and the like. DNA and evolution on the other hand are things I just can't explain. I can't imagine that all life forms on Earth were just evolution from bacteria. Why should things evolve.

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Sep 30th, 2017 07:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

'I can't imagine that all life forms on Earth were just evolution from bacteria. Why should things evolve."

The end of the pre-Cambrian era was when things got crazy, no ideas of how or why it happened. Bacteria/alge ruled. Early in the Cambrian era all the phylums developed, in a relatively short amount of time. Evolution seems to be driven by constant improvement within the phylum. Towards some goal?

The question I have, is it a freak accident, a form of biological mechanism, intelligent design, maybe some influence from the multiverse. Who knows but it seems pretty clear that phylum ancestors are more primitive than contemporary life forms.

Some very interesting forces on fauna evolution by the flora. Attributing any of this to Aliens is the easy way out, what happened on earth is more crazy and amazing than anything we can dream up. We don't even know if carbon is the only foundation for life or if it isn't. Don't even want to think about intelligent sulfer based life forms, certainly wouldn't want to sit next to one on a long flight, though they could be charming "o)

500,000 year old sparkplug !?!

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Sep 30th, 2017 07:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think stress on a system causes genetic mutations to increase. That's why we see some "living fossils" relatively unchanged because they live in a stable environment. Pre-Cambrian environment, and others, were probably pretty stressful.

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