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vomer
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Oct 2nd, 2017 02:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just in the news this week was the discovery of canal channels right up to the Great Pyramid at Giza, which were probably there for the transportation of the stones for building. Previously, I was never in any doubt that they must have been levitated there. Ah well.

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Oct 2nd, 2017 08:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For nearly 300,000 years we've had the same mental capacity. Earlier versions of us go back a couple million. We've been exposed to 4 ice ages in the last 450,000 years.

Traditional modern thinking places the first civilizations around 10,000 years ago. That number coincides with the end of the last ice age. We are pushing the age of civilization further back all the time. Even the age of the first humans coming to North America has double since I was a kid and some evidence indicates goes much farther back.

It's an interesting time to be an Archeologist. Some evidence exists that the European Bronze Age, starting around 3200 BC, included copper mined in Michigan. Or how about that ancient Chinese map that shows Antarctica with no ice.

Humans are industrious we have had to be. How long before one of our ancestor freezing his or her butt off in cave figured out that the bear walking around in the snow and ice wasn't cold, that it might be because of his fur coat, and figure hey I'll take one of those.

Think how many skills it took for a farmer 200 years ago to raise crops, livestock build shelters and improvise tools. What I take away from studying historical, indigenous, primitive people is they are much more in tune with their needs and environment than we are. We have mastered, or think we have, our environment, we no longer adapt to it we endeavor to control it, and we think we are doing a good job at it.

Forget about aliens, we've survived for close to 2 million years mostly on our ability to reason and adapt. I'm including a few earlier versions in that number, but they did help us get to were we are.

How long ago did we learn how to make fire, and given the same tools how many of us could today?

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Jim O.
Oct 3rd, 2017 06:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There are some very convincing arguments that we are actually the product of alien...something. Long before there was life as we know it on Earth, our planet was bombarded for eons with rocks and pieces of comets and asteroids, etc. Some of those items from other worlds, it's thought, may have contained elements, chemicals or molecules that combined with the stuff that was already here. After much time percolating in our giant petri dish, life of some sort started to form - and here we are. Products of aliens, but not the kind in space ships.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good point. As are all planets and stars. It's hard to imagine that an intact life form could make the voyage through the cold and vacuum of space.

The entire planet, moon, sun all coagulated from stuff created in the instant of the Big Bang. It's interesting how the elements came together. The location of planets orbit in the solar system seem to have organized the matter they are made of accordingly. I wonder if this organization is characteristic of other planetary systems.

The form that matter took at that instant was probably a fundamental like hydrogen, its a bit mind boggling how other elements came into existence, became compounds and eventually life. Sometime I think life should be everywhere then again so much has to happen in what needs to be perfect circumstances that it's amazing it ever happened at all.

We really have no idea if life can evolve in different circumstances than those on earth. Is life base on specific elements and environment, ours is, but what is the possibility that life can be based on other elements in different environments?

Is life a fundamental force or is it not. If life is a fundamental force what are the physics that would show that to be the case. Consider a step again to intelligent life. We are unique among the fauna of this planet, and what are the chances of intelligent life being the product of other planets bio-systems. If it is a physical force of nature then intelligents maybe part of that formula. Who freakin' knows.

Is their purpose of just freak accidents. What is the force that creates life or is it just a assemblage of odd bits of matter.

I spend too much time thinking about this stuff. Their is no way to know.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"We are an inquisitive species it's part of the bagage that comes with an active mind."

Spot on. It is human nature to seek an explanation for any question that has no clear answer. In absence of hard facts or compelling and incontrovertible evidence, the theory and speculation evolves to become the only rational cause. As irrational as that sounds...

The search for knowledge is like an ever-expanding sphere: all that is 'known' is contained in the sphere, and the surface of the sphere represents the horizon to the unknown. The more we learn, the greater that surface area becomes, and we realize an increase of unknowns.

A comedian once said, "Kids say the darnedest things! So would you--if you were completely uneducated."

Science: it must withstand independent scrutiny and produce repeatable results.

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Oct 3rd, 2017 07:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

But more importantly: there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the Ancient Aliens guy's hair.

Seems legit.

jay1vinton

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Oct 5th, 2017 05:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm another that thinks our ancestors forgot more than we know now. What we consider ancient tribes and lower civilizations may have known secrets we never will.

There are verifiable carvings and depictions of what we consider flying machines in Egyptian tombs, ONLY, they are so small and casually placed that they could have been anything but helicopters or submarines as they have been described. They are described by modern minds and may have been anything but.

Another depiction from that time is of a giant Egyptian lightbulb and battery, which could simply be an interpretation of something else. Verifiable ancient batteries of very simple form have been found in Iraq.

The Indian civilization is rift with Vimana, or ancient flying machines in their lore. Even ole Big hair wears one on his lapel...

No one to date can explain the precision that was achieved in the building of Inca and Mayan walls and temples.

Then again, Von Daneken has fully admitted the he was full of it, did it for the money and made bank on his supposed theories in his series of books.

Ancient Aliens is a crock. It's filled with half Theories, a bunch of professional loons that only add disbelief to what may actually have occurred in history.



jay1vinton

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Oct 5th, 2017 05:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"They just don't know we exist."

And if they do, and if they are physical, they can be hurt just as we can and they are smart to stay away and watch from afar and leave us to our wondering's.

As a specie, we are violent and unpredictable, I assume if they were real, they would know that..

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Oct 5th, 2017 05:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

About 250,000 years ago they flew in had a look and moved on. We may never see them again.

(This message was last edited by tahitijack at 11:32 AM, Oct 6th, 2017)

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Oct 5th, 2017 05:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The ancient drawings of 'space visitors' (two antennae on their heads) are probably an anthropomorphism of insects and beetles.

We have to remember these ancient artists did not have brains as developed as ours are (color perception, etc.) and were drawing things they saw, combined with things they imagined. Compare it to the scribblings of a four-year-old and it all makes sense.

Out interpretations of these drawings are polluted by our own reality--which includes the TV show

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Oct 5th, 2017 06:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If we were visited by ancient aliens I can almost bet their musical contribution to us was the theremin.

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Oct 5th, 2017 06:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh man, someone has to make a theremin that looks like Ray Walston's head.

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Oct 5th, 2017 08:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

“What’s up with the general media assumption that all the efforts and success of humanity is by the influence of Aliens, off world intelligence. Did mom and dad let the young ones fall asleep while the TV was playing Star Wars?

How can “Ancient Aliens” be in it’s 12th season. I started watching it because of the Archeology, mainstream wasn’t dealing with, probably because they’re still under study. It gave me new sources of sites. ”

Wait Star Wars isn’t a docu-drama? What DID happen a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away then??

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Oct 6th, 2017 05:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I used to watch the show for the first couple seasons and knew already of many of the questions and theories. All the good theories pretty much ran out and their completely lunatic stories and theories started dominating the show. Instead of posing questions in the manner that Von Daneken does, the clowns on show talk about far fetched theories like they are fact.

The ancient battery that was found in Irag is a perfect example of creating a device and not seeing what the true potential of it. It obviously did not get made for powering anything but probable was used by Priests for making some sort of magic to scare the masses and keep them right where they want them.

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Oct 6th, 2017 06:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm thinking its like a movie I once watched. The aliens came to earth, stole several kids, male and female pairs, then sent them to uninhabited planets. Called each, Adam and Eve.

(This message was last edited by K4 at 09:00 AM, Oct 6th, 2017)

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Oct 6th, 2017 07:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think the battery was used for electroplating. They may not have fully understood the physics, at least not they same way we understand it.

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Oct 6th, 2017 08:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As interested as I might be about the topic, I just can't watch the show.

"The Ancient Alien guys cloak their argument in classical logic taking liberties with false premises."


Indeed:
"Some sort of flying machine is etched in this Egyptian wall. IF it was a machine, and IF it was indeed flying...COULD IT BE that these were symbols of a visiting alien intelligence?...And IF they did visit, IS IT POSSIBLE that they influenced blah, blah, blah?????"

Yeah, and IF my aunt had balls, could she possibly be my uncle?
So stupid. Any idiot can ask "IF?"


as far as life on our planet goes, I've mentioned my view before. It seems SO UNLIKELY that life could have developed here (Earth) as it did...that it seems nearly impossible that it could have happened elsewhere.


I also like to think about this, as far as "evolution" goes: the eye (human or any animal).
Was there ANY reason for ANY life form to have "developed" an eye?
No. It's just no logical. There had to be design involved. It just would not evolve.
I'm not saying things don't change or "evolve" over time.
But it's like saying my newspaper will eventually grow an arm, if given enough time. Why would it?

vomer
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Oct 6th, 2017 09:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Actually, the evolution of the eye is fairly straightforward in terms of why and how it started. It began as a photosensitive patch of cells on a microorganism which could direct it towards light. Presumably to help photosynthesis, and/or regulate day and night cycles. If the cells developed into a pit it would make the structure more accurate in sensing the direction of the light. If a pit deepened to the extent that it only had a very small opening over it, bingo you have a pinhole camera. From there it's a relatively small step to develop a lens.

The scientists tell us that all this is due to random mutations and natural selection, other traditions tell us that it is down to a divine plan. Personally I think that it is both. Nature has a goal, call it a divine plan if you like, to fill ecological niches and develop forms to their fullest potential. And the science explains the mechanism by which this happens.

Having both these viewpoints come together in one model tends to annoy the followers of each one; they each need to make the other wrong to justify their beliefs. Science has recently shown a quantum effect, an 'outside influence' on living things, (google quantum photosynthesis) so perhaps one day it might show a similar influence on evolution, which might answer some of the questions around the rate of evolutionary change.

And I very much doubt that aliens had anything to do with it, dropping DNA into the primordial soup, or messing with monkeys. "And this is the gene for ginger hair, and this is the gene for appreciating the sound of bagpipes..."

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Oct 6th, 2017 09:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Vomer, I have thought the same thing.

If you are not caught up in how long a day is, both science and religion match.

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Oct 6th, 2017 03:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The new Dan Brown book "Origins" seems to be just about this.

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