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MLC

It's not just good..

...it's good enough.
Sep 28th, 2017 06:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Heckuva life, that man led.

RIP

I wonder who will get all those smoking jackets...

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What?
Sep 28th, 2017 06:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic



MJB
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Who's we sucka?

Smith, Wesson and me.
Sep 28th, 2017 06:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dude probably saw more nekkid wimmens than any man in history.

RIP

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I detect the El Supremo
Sep 28th, 2017 06:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

RIP, Hef. He started a publication revolution, however, I was never a fan of that sauve/avent garde/smoking jacket sort of a lifestyle that he projected. It was all BS to me but he did have a long run.

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Sep 28th, 2017 07:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As a young teen boy I had either read or heard that each Playmate photo shoot was begun with a make up artist, who carefully applied his wares to every inch of the model's fully exposed body.

When my parents overheard me tell a friend of my frantic desire to become a makeup artist, I managed to convince them that my interest was solely inspired by the makeup done in monster movies.

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Sep 28th, 2017 07:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Originator and an institution. He changed the "face" of America.

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Sep 28th, 2017 07:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"RIP to the guy who was CG before CG was CG."

By "CG" I take it that you mean Chris Greene.

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Sep 28th, 2017 07:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's not nice to speak ill of the dead, but I'll be the alternative voice here:

A man who objectified women...

...don't know about the rest of you, but I wouldn't want him anywhere near my daughters.

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Sep 28th, 2017 07:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sleaze bag. He demeaned women, made them objects and then tried to make it acceptable. If there was any "justice" in this world he would have died of a nasty STD many years ago. If you want to point the finger at the downfall of "family values" here's where to point it.

I am disappointed, but not surprised, by many of the comments here.

Edit to add: Rev Mikes' post must have added while I was composing mine. Well said!

(This message was last edited by neilp at 10:00 AM, Sep 28th, 2017)

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Sep 28th, 2017 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Interesting trajectory. Part of the sexual revolution tied to the free spirit 60's movement, free speech, etc. Then vilified by many of the same people who embraced that revolution. Not taking a position, just making an observation. Pop culture is a fickle thing.

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Sep 28th, 2017 08:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I read and article titled something like "Confessions of an ex Playmate." She said that pet dogs resided in the master bedroom, where they kept a poop scooper to clean up the carpet. Eew!

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Godzilla the Thread Killa
Sep 28th, 2017 09:03 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

“By "CG" I take it that you mean Chris Greene.“

You take it correctly. Dude obviously had a bidet, etc.

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Just a pawn in someone else's game
Sep 28th, 2017 09:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Sleaze bag. He demeaned women, made them objects and then tried to make it acceptable"

only because the women let him...
so who's worse?.. a sleaze or a gold digger?

I don't necessarily disagree with your statement...but it's a 2 way street...

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Sep 28th, 2017 09:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Speaking ill of the dead. That says something too.

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Sep 28th, 2017 09:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"A man who objectified women." sure to a degree, but not to the extent the competing publications printed at the time. Reading the articles about these women often left me thinking they were intelligent as well as beautiful, a lot of collage girls I recall.

The window for a woman to take advantage of that part of her life, if she is gifted that way, is rather short and it seems many of these beautiful, talented and intelligent ladies took good advantage of that and prospered. Some launching careers.

He kind of brought it out of the gutter, creating photographing of physical beauty a kind of art.

Men like to see beautiful women and beautiful women like to be seen. It's all birds and bees stuff "o) we're programed that way. Huge just did it with class.

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Sep 28th, 2017 10:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

While Mr. Hefner could well be termed a hedonist along with a few other descriptive terms, I hardly believe we can lay the downfall of "family values" at the fallen feet of Mr. Hefner. I will remember him as a tireless innovator that loosened up our culture to the subject of sexuality when it needed it. Like often occurs, others managed to distort the concept he created and expanded it into something often ugly and obscene at times.

For the most part, Hefner's productions and publications were mild in comparison to the over the top and classless efforts of others that tended to not only cross the boundaries of class. but pretty much obliterated them.

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Sep 28th, 2017 10:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I am not suggesting he was the worst offender, but perhaps an early one who paved the way for others, with even poorer values, that followed.

Speaking ill of someone who had such poor values gives me no cause for concern. None at all. Should one defend dictators, child abusers and murders just because they are dead? Immorality is what is. He at least stood up for his "values" and could be seen for what he was by all. The fact I choose to call him on it makes me a bad guy?



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Sep 28th, 2017 10:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hef profited by bringing into the daylight how men already felt about women and sex. He didn't invent the girlie mag but he was the first to try and make it respectable. He did not apologize to mainstream culture for openly enjoying his sexuality. He championed the idea that the customer for his publication was educated, successful, and sophisticated. He did not accept the moral hypocrisy that was so prevalent when he began publication.


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Sep 28th, 2017 10:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oh, so now you're equating Hefner to dictators, child abusers, and murders [sic]? You are the judge of morality in this world? What you post says much about you and little about the person you're trying to demean.

(This message was last edited by Chris Greene at 12:42 PM, Sep 28th, 2017)

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Sep 28th, 2017 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm saying that judging morality post-death is acceptable practice. We all do it, no need to castigate me.

I think what we all post says a lot. I stand by my posts - I don't think Hefner's treatment of women was acceptable.

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