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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / LP nut slot help, please

Mick Reid
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Sep 24th, 2017 02:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll try and make this as succinct I can...

I have done my very first LP nut removal and was mostly successful. However, I think that sucker was glued in there for all eternity.

I went very cautiously and methodically, but despite that, once I finally got the nut to pop, some of the wood from the bottom of the nut slot came with the nut.

I managed to extricate most of the wood off of the nut in one chunk.
I also had a sliver of wood break out from the truss rod route on the headstock.(no significant finish damage though)

I've used a good quality PVA glue (generously) and got the puzzle pieces back into place.
So here's where I would like advice (hopefully not too late).

I couldn't save 100% of the wood that chipped out of the bottom of the nut slot, so will need to fill a couple of very small areas and level it.
Deepest part being maybe 1mm. What is the best method for doing this?
My first thoughts are: CA & accelerator; more PVA; Epoxy or sandable wood filler. (???)

Please tell me what your approach would be.

FWIW, I'm working on my $200 Epiphone LP.
I didn't *need* to change the nut, but half my reason for buying this guitar was as a learning platform for just this kind of thing.
It actually plays and sounds great after the mods I've already done. :^)

Anyway, and as always, your collective advice is greatly appreciated.

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 04:23 AM, Sep 24th, 2017)

twangdoodles

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Sep 24th, 2017 07:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As long as it's flat and smooth in there then I probably wouldn't worry about filling small holes.

But if it is necessary for whatever reason then I'd go with CA glue as it'll be the easiest to apply sparingly and sands/files easily.

Mick Reid
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Sep 24th, 2017 07:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"As long as it's flat and smooth in there then I probably wouldn't worry about filling small holes."

That's what I'm trying to achieve. A flat, contiguous mating surface for the nut. The nut slot presently is not smooth due the chipped wood.


Te 52

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Sep 24th, 2017 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As long as it doesn't show once everything is back together, I'd use Bondo. Seriously.

Ovefill the chipped out regions, let cure completely, then file level.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 07:35 PM, Sep 25th, 2017)

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Sep 24th, 2017 01:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd use Titebond I:

1. Cut, profile, and polish the nut so it fits perfectly into the slot, and all that's left to do is drop the string slots a little bit after installation.

2. Paint a thin layer of TBI into the three sides of the nut slot. The glue will fill any voids that exist.

3. Press the new nut in, and gently wipe off any squeeze-out with a cloth & Q Tips. Let the TB cure overnight.

4. Do the final tweaking of the slots as you set up the guitar.

Mick Reid
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Sep 24th, 2017 04:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys.
Tite Bond is hard to find here (without buying online, shipping etc).
None of the local major hardware stores stock it.

I'd like to try and use what I have on hand in the shed, so I'll consider the advice above and see how I go. Thanks


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Sep 24th, 2017 04:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I mentioned Titebond because it doesn't shrink like a lot of non-solvent wood glues often do.

If you have the LePage brand there, that works great too.

This stuff

Mick Reid
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Sep 24th, 2017 06:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks P.
Again, not readily available on this island continent.

This gets good remarks in the AUS woodworking forums, and is what I've using for a few years.

Aussie PVA

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 08:04 PM, Sep 24th, 2017)

FunkyKikuchiyo

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Sep 24th, 2017 06:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If the new nut will hide the indiscretions, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Getting good lines around the sides of the nut are the bigger deal, and the slot being ever so slightly "scalloped" can help get that look. Also, if it is at the deepest 1mm, you may find that once you level the slot for the new nut, most of that goes away except for a couple small spots. Cheaper guitars often have some questionable nut slots and require tweaking when putting a new one in. In fact, that the original nut had so much glue in there is likely an indication that they cheated quite a bit to get it in there just right.

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Sep 24th, 2017 07:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Agreed here too. Sometimes a little wood comes out with the nut but it doesn't really matter much at all. Something that should be mentioned here is when you glue in the new nut, use only a minimal amount of glue. Two small spots of wood glue is all. The point here is that nuts will eventually need to be replaced. A well fitted nut should seat properly and not rock at all in the slot -- you should actually be able to string up the guitar with no glue holding the nut and the only reason for the glue is so the nut doesn't fall out when you change strings. Use just a little glue and in the future when you need to replace it, it won't be a problem to remove.

Mick Reid
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Sep 24th, 2017 08:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks FunkyK and wrnch.

"Use just a little glue and in the future when you need to replace it, it won't be a problem to remove."

Yep, that's how I've always done my strats.
As previously mentioned, this was my first LP-type "nut job", so just a little different than I've experienced. All good stuff from you guys though.

Cheers


DrKev

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Sep 25th, 2017 12:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

+1 to what wrnchbndr said. Two small drops of any old wood glue is all that's needed. Rsks fewer wood chips later down the line.



Te 52

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Sep 25th, 2017 05:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

To add to what wrnchbndr said, when I glue in a nut, I don't use any glue on the bottom surface, just a couple of drops of white glue on the *side* of the nut away from the headstock. That way you are gluing to the end grain of the fretboard. Glue joints to end grain are notoriously weak, but in this case, that's just what you want.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 10:35 PM, Sep 25th, 2017)

Mick Reid
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Sep 25th, 2017 07:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good tip Tellurium!

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