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wrnchbndr
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I'm back with the otters again
Sep 21st, 2017 09:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What is it that in my mind makes a stratocaster seem like an acrobatic, abusable, and more giving and friendly guitar compared to a Gibson? Is it that I've seen too many broken headstocks and the occassional fractured neck joint? The body sculpting and rounded edges of a strat?? The less weight??? I have the greatest respect for a good Les Paul because it will do things that a strat will not. But I hear a good strat singing "Play Me - Play Me!" and it wants me to leap about the stage and go to gigs without a guitar case and just toss the guitar into the car cuz it doesn't care about dents and dings. A well worn strat always looks good while a damaged Les Paul looks neglected and sad. Why is this?
The point here is that I'm about to make a bunch of guitars and I don't want to build strat copies. What are the things about a strat or even a telecaster that make it seem like it doesn't care? That its eager to play?? That it will take abuse and neglect and still love you back???

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Sep 21st, 2017 11:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, no binding and a bigger body edge radius says to me, I'm not going to lose a bit of my structure if I'm dinged.

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Sep 21st, 2017 11:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It is simply closer, more representative to the block of wood it was born of. The ease of pulling a neck and attaching another, a functional platform for test driving assorted pickups and wiring option.

It's the breadboard of musical instruments. They are a simple palate for the novice to the kings of Rock and Roll.

Pinetree
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Sep 21st, 2017 11:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's what Hendrix played.




littleuch
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Sep 21st, 2017 11:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Anything with a glued in neck commands a different approach. SUV vs a more elite ride. Strats and Teles ain't afraid of no mud.

RicOkc

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"Let the music do the talking"
Sep 21st, 2017 12:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No worries about broken head-stocks, weight, difficult to keep in tune.

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Sep 21st, 2017 02:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You guys are making valid points, but

THIS is why. Are there any other questions? :o)

littleuch
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Sep 21st, 2017 02:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That's a maaaaaaaan!

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Deus

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Sep 21st, 2017 02:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Austin! That's my MOTHER!"

wrnchbndr
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Sep 21st, 2017 02:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had already thought of that.

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Sep 21st, 2017 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

On a different note, I feel Strats make you stretch to play it. It does bends well, but not without reaching for your hidden potential. An Lp almost plays itself it sounds so melodic and forgiving.

Cal-Woody

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Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Sep 21st, 2017 04:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I really like to quote, 'It's a breadboard of musical instruments."
And thinking in that vein, there have been so many reiterations of the Strat and that platform has been used for so many interpretations of that instrument and though each one is still in the same context, each garners it's own personality.
I have yet to own an mahogany bodied Strat but think that, along with the Strat tone, that type of wood would unleash some of the earthy goodness that I feel is missing from my other Strats. I know that each instrument is the sum of its parts, but as a rhythm/lead guitarist and not wanting to always have to change guitars for different sounds and tonal textures, I think that a mahogany bodied Strat with good splittable humbuckers in the neck and bridge position would yield much of the sounds I seek. I think an rosewood fingerboard would have to be incorporated to keep the Les Paul tones, while having the maple base of the neck giving me back some of the snap that a Strat should have.
This is just me thinking out loud, but with a thin finish on the body, I think that the mahogany body would do what I'm saying.
But yeah, the neck angle of a Strat or Tele lends itself to the abuse it can stand while the rest of the configuration just gives you the sound you've come to know from these instruments.
As an owner of many a Les Paul, I know how fragile the design is, but while owning a Les Paul, when setup correctly, it is one of the most amazing sounding and easiest playing guitars around!
Sorry for the long rant, but I think if you built a Strat or Tele style instrument, a) they would be less prone to failure and b) a very serviceable instrument.

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Sep 21st, 2017 07:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Strats and Teles are modular.

Set-neck and through-neck guitars are not.

Leo's modular construction followed Henry Ford's lead: it allowed for a defective product to be repaired by replacing one bad part--rather than tossing the entire thing, or necessitating a very expensive repair.

wrnchbndr
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Sep 22nd, 2017 03:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I got another really great reply on another forum which paraphrased, said that Fenders are like pickup trucks and Gibsons are like sports cars. A dirty and dented pickup is okay. A dirty and dented sports car is just wrong. This really works in my head.

Maybe Ford and the others should do some test marketing to see if people want to buy reliced new trucks.

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Sep 24th, 2017 03:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Strats and Teles can be used as weapons, A Gibson might break while you're swinging it.

hotblooze

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Wood, magnetic coil and strings.
Sep 24th, 2017 09:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A Strat, you can personalize especially to us modders. A Les Paul is more limited. To me, this is the greatest flxibilty that makes a guitar totally personalized.

FunkyKikuchiyo

VT

Sep 24th, 2017 10:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Damage to Strats is typically cosmetic. Besides neck breaks and headstock breaks, the hardware sticking up higher on a Gibson makes it more prone to damage if it falls on its face - a Fender just kinda bounces. Jack plates are always tougher - even though it is a minor fix on a Gibson, it still requires fixing which will make some players anxious. I like vomer's point about a bigger body radius, too. Even the tuner placement makes them less prone to damage. The weight/shape of a Gibson makes it fall differently if you throw it/drop it, and will often fall in a way that will cause more damage.

There is also the (what I believe to be a) myth that Gibsons in their hey-day were uber boutique, lovingly hand crafted instruments. I think marketing over the years from both companies plays no small part in this. Gibson promoted the idea of super fine workmanship (not honestly, they're a factory like any other factory, and always have been), while Fender was the pioneer in the world of relics and glamourizing the super worn instruments. Fender also used celebrity owned instruments or original vintage instruments as ad material much earlier, like SRV's No. 1 or an original '54, while companies like Gibson preferred clean photos of brand new instruments. The sports car vs. pickup truck analogy seems to be in this same vein. In reality, most pickup trucks on the lot today are better engineered and more sophisticated than the sports cars, but that's another matter.

TonyMan
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That's what she said!
Sep 25th, 2017 10:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Perhaps it's just part of God's plan?


Therealfrogman
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Relics produce tone, and then some...
Sep 26th, 2017 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Build some Tele's .

Your welcome.

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