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Rhino208
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Sep 17th, 2017 03:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

By Ken Burns & Lynn Novick

Starts tonight on PBS tonight on 9.

Looking forward to it. My dad was drafted but didn't have to go because he was an electrical engineer.

One of the reason I joined the service at 18. To pay his dues back in 1993. Also I have a fond love of this US of A.



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Sep 17th, 2017 03:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll be watching.

Chris Greene
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Sep 17th, 2017 04:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Once all the episodes are up, I'll probably watch it. There was a thread about this show a week or two ago and for many of us who came of age during this war, there are painful memories, especially among those who served over there. I'd mentioned in the other thread that I was able to wangle my way out but was prime material to be drafted with drawing #57 in the first lottery. I just used the system in place to beat them at their own game.

Not too many years later, my guilt about being able to get out because we had the resources to do so, led me to serve three years as a deputy sheriff. I figured that was my penance.

Rhino208
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Sep 17th, 2017 04:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Chris that was the reason for the thread.

My dad was filled with remorse. He didn't go. If he did maybe I wouldn't have been born.


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Sep 17th, 2017 04:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

He was drafted in 1972. I was born in 1974.



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Sep 17th, 2017 04:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I grew up thinking the Vietnam War was an inevitable destination for all young men. I remember the funeral processions for classmate's older brothers. One time, two in one day. By the time I got within striking distance of adulthood the draft and war had ended. I wanted no part of it. Yes, I have some guilt for not having served.

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Sep 17th, 2017 04:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My daddy-o (RIP and Saaa-looot) did a year in the Korean War and a year (1970) in Vietnam. Watching the evening news was traumatic for us kids. He never talked about any of it because war is hell. We were overjoyed when he returned home safely.

Many many others did not.

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Sep 17th, 2017 04:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think it was in '75 that the draft ended, just before I graduated HS. My brother joined the AF around then. I never served.

Looking back, I wish I'd joined the Navy and seen the world.

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Sep 17th, 2017 04:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've shared this before, it's just a slice of life thing, but poignant to me.

My dad died in 1994. Next to his grave was a young man killed in Vietnam on June 30th, 1971. He was a few months shy of his 20th birthday. My mom had suffered unimaginable loss in Europe during WWII and felt bad for SPC Joseph Walter Yingling, Jr. His grave looked unattended. So, as was her nature, she spent as much time cleaning up his marker and buying two sets of flowers on visitation days. One for dad, one for Joseph.

As the internet became more far reaching I found more details about him and shared the details with my mom. If there is an afterlife I'm sure this young man gave her a hug when she crossed over.

Mom and dad's eternal "neighbor"

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Sep 17th, 2017 04:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My draft number was pretty high in 72 but it was also a time that I couldn't find a job. By the time 75 came around, I tried to ENLIST! The recruiter actually talked me out of enlisting. They were trying to get RID of people. I had been through JUCO and had a Associates degree in electronics and he talked me into looking into alternative paths to employment. Had a head hunter tell me I wasn't worth much and the only thing I was qualified to do was work on copiers! Thank you Business Machines in STL. Ended up fixing cars for 38 years! AHHH, the irony. Had a good life and no regerts (candy bar commercial)! Mike.

Rhino208
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Sep 17th, 2017 04:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's funny how life happens at its different turns.

Make a left and go that way. Or make a right.

Or look left right left and go through straight.


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Sep 17th, 2017 04:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Interestingly, even though I was in college in 1969, I figured I was screwed and went to see about enlisting in the air force (I wasn't ready for college). I took the ASVAB and that summer went for a final fling in NY. I never signed any papers but my plan was to enlist in the fall. My Uncle Al, who was a WWII combat vet and knew my nature better than I did myself told me I was crazy to enlist and convinced me to get back in college like I meant it. That fall, I didn't enlist, I went back to college.

In December was when the lottery started up again and my number made me prime meat for the Selective Service and even though I was in college and had a student deferment, kept trying to get me to come in for a physical. That's where the games began and my family hired a law firm in Santa Monica that was specializing in Selective Service law. In less than a year, I had a permanent deferment (1-H) and that was that.

But that's also where the guilt came from, we had the resources to keep me out and I knew a couple guys that didn't, were drafted, and died in a jungle before their lives had even started.

Chris Greene
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Sep 17th, 2017 05:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"It's funny how life happens at its different turns.

Make a left and go that way. Or make a right.

Or look left right left and go through straight."

I have maintained for over 40 years the the decisions we make were always the decisions we would make. In other words, the path we take was always the path we'd take. Even though we thought we could have taken a different path, we didn't. We think we have free will but do we really? It drives my wife nuts. ;o)

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Sep 17th, 2017 05:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think we all make decisions based on current circumstances, resources, and information we have at the time. Nothing is pre-ordained beyond 'one day you gonna die'. Everything else is optional.

Chris Greene
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Sep 17th, 2017 05:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Everything else is optional."

That's what they want you to think. ;o)

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Sep 17th, 2017 05:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was late to the game but flew a few missions in '74 and flew the Babylift and evacuation missions in '75 as a USAF Loadmaster on C-141's.

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Sep 17th, 2017 05:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Your genes give you traits, or tendencies which will effect what you would do in a given situation. Also your likes and your "aptitude".

Twin studies

Chris Greene
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Sep 17th, 2017 05:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Q.E.D.

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Sep 17th, 2017 05:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm recording the series. Will I watch it? Not sure.

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Sep 17th, 2017 06:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm w/Chris. Life is determined a head of time. We don't have the script in front of us, nut it's there.

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