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FDP Forum / Moe's Tavern (_8^(I) / Dumpster Les Paul (video)

Purple Valley
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Sep 10th, 2017 11:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This guy rescues gear that retailers regularly destroy and throw in the trash. Apparently, it's a common practice, demanded by the guitar companies. I didn't get it, but reading the comments, it's just to keep store employees from ripping off the companies? That, and legal problems/cost associated with donating damaged items.

Anyone know about this? Does seem an unconscionable waste. Does this go on in every retail business?

Dive in

reverendrob
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Sep 11th, 2017 12:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Depends on the business or industry - I had that video recommended to me by YT last night and skimmed it.

That's assuming the claim on the screencap is accurate.

If it was broken in transit or exceeded value to return/repair, or was a tradein that turned up dead, etc. it makes sense sometimes.

I'm very, very wary of claims.

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Sep 11th, 2017 05:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In the 70's I worked for a department store. A lamp had a damaged tiffany-style shade. I was told to take it to the dumpster and destroy it. The reason was that if destroyed, the store could write it off and didn't need to pay the supplier for the item. If not destroyed and simply given away, the store was on the hook to pay the supplier for the item.

Destroying store stock and putting it in the dumpster is simply a business move.

I sometimes get amused at the "sacredness" some people attribute to guitars and other musical instruments. They are simply objects and tools, especially the mass-produced stuff. The owners have the right to do anything they want with such objects, without being judged as to why.

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Sep 11th, 2017 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Before the digital age a friend would check dumpster behind realtor offices for last months multiple listening book. He use it to research potential rental income homes for sale.

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Sep 11th, 2017 08:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I saw this video the other day. This guy (Guitologist) finds good stuff all the time because he is always looking. Our local GC has its regular visitors everyday.

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Sep 11th, 2017 08:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For the most part, that guy's YouTube channel is more about fixing amps than dumpster diving.



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Sep 11th, 2017 10:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The thing that bothers me is that he speaks so very righteously about saving the discarded items and preserving the craft. Ecen adds the loss to local charities. Give me a break. He misses the point that he is trespassing. If he were to be injured by his desire to not let the 'man' prevail by running its own business as they choose, that same business would likely be held responsible and end up forking over funds to this same guy. Doesn't matter if the business locks their container, they'll get in somehow.

He's not being creative, he's taking what is not his property and benefiting personally. I didn't hear him indicate all his profits were being donated - although I did jump over some of his whining. Capitalist my butt.

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Sep 11th, 2017 12:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey, both of my kids were raised on expired baby formula ... really.

I worked in retail management at the time. When baby formula was still in the store and the expiration date came up we took the labels off and sent them in to the manufacturer for credit. The formula was to be discarded.

I cleared it with my District Manager to pay a small sum to the store and the formula could go to my house. Did the same thing with diapers, package torn open, get credit.

There were plenty of things we got credit for that just went into the trash.

This guy just takes comfort talking since it's stuff he has an interest in and is of a high dollar value (when the stuff is right).

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Sep 11th, 2017 12:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Once you throw something away, it's not yours anymore.



super400
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Sep 11th, 2017 12:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Once you throw something away, it's not yours anymore."

So true but if it's in my dumpster it's still mine. Whatever happens after it is at the dump is of no meaning to me.

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Sep 11th, 2017 12:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Once you throw something away, it's not yours anymore."

I think maybe Guitar Center needs a wood chipper ;)

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Sep 11th, 2017 12:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I watched a guy smash a P-Bass and toss it in the dumpster years ago behind an AAFES base exchange.

Seemed like it could have gone to some school music program or something, so I agree with the guy.



But that's not gonna change anything.


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Sep 11th, 2017 12:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In high school working for Woolco (an early proto-Wal-Mart wannabe) one of my jobs was disposing of trash in a large incinerator, a relic from pre-EPA times, and among the trash was at least a dozen basketballs, each new in a retail box. Thinking this must be a mistake I talked to the sporting goods dept. manager, who quickly and angrily told me to shut up and burn 'em! When I asked if I could take one home, or donate them, I was told that if I took anything that I would fired and arrested, and if I kept talking about it then I would out of a job. Seems that destroying unwanted stock reduced his inventory levels and cleared him to buy what was a hot seller right now, and sales influenced his bonus while inventory losses did not. And that turned out to be common practice there.

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Sep 11th, 2017 01:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

We had some "excess materiel" back in my Air Force days, and when some of the guys inquired about it were told; "We can burn it, we can bury it, we can throw it away...


but you can't have it."



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Sep 11th, 2017 01:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Seems that destroying unwanted stock reduced his inventory levels and cleared him to buy what was a hot seller right now, and sales influenced his bonus while inventory losses did not. And that turned out to be common practice there."

I never working in a retail environment where bonuses were not paid base on *Net Profit*. Reducing inventory with no money going to the bank is never viewed as a good thing.

Can't imagine a corporate office paying bonuses to management who are losing money for the company.

With that in mind I'll accept that it "seems" that way ... hard to imagine it was that way though. ;)

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Sep 11th, 2017 01:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If a distributor contacts a manufacturer with a claim of damage and the manufacturer decides to have it destroyed, it's because they are going to write it off as a business loss. If the instrument is allowed to be sold as a defect or donated, or given to or sold at a discount to an employee, it is not a legitimate loss and can't be reported as such.

The stuff is worth more to Gibson as a loss than a donation. If Gibson claims a bunch of guitars as a loss and they later show up as a charitable donation on Guitar Center's tax filing, it's tax fraud.

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Sep 11th, 2017 01:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BlondeStrat, well thank for not calling me a liar, but I've been in retail management my entire life and I promise you that happened, and agree that it should NOT make sense, but as Dilbert often tells us, there us much madness in the corporate world. I found other variations at other companies. At Radio Shack the game was to ditch thousands of dollars worth of unwanted merchandise every time that a store manager left or was fired. The district manager could then blame the inventory loss on the former employee, which would count against a bonus that was not going to be paid anyway, and have the funds available to buy up the hot sellers and thus show a quick "improvement" to that store. What a good job he did! This turnaround artist is on the fast track! And, again, this was done for the benefit of individual bonuses and/or having the right numbers when a promotion was available, and not one concern for what was profitable for the company. The store manager has to guess on how to spend his allocated inventory dollars, and sometime you guess wrong, and some are just not very good at it anyway. You also acquire some returns which are not so fresh and some displays get to looking tired, but they are carried on the books at full value. So all of that found it's way to the trash can, and as long as the right people got blamed and the right people got credit then all was right in the world.

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