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Ragtop
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Aug 20th, 2017 12:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's about the last one on my list, but I would sure like to play one before I buy. But that probably isn't going to happen as they are pretty scarce.

If you have played one, I would be interested in your opinion and impression. I would especially be interested in how the neck shape/size felt to you.

Let me know, thanks.

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Aug 20th, 2017 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I played one about 7 or 8 years ago. It was comfortable to play. Some SC V necks are quite pronounced but this one felt more like a Martin Mod V.

It sounded good but not great. I compared it with a Martin 15 Series 000. The Martin felt better in my hands and sounded better. I bought the Martin and it wasn't about the $.

But that's just me and that was just one example of a SC 1929 00.

A local shop (Guitars San Diego) has one in stock. I'm going to be in the area on Monday. Maybe I'll stop in and check it out.

Then again, maybe I won't. They have a redwood topped SC OM in stock calling my name. I really don't need to be buying another expensive guitar. :(

(edited to change SG to SC. Not sure what I was thinking. Maybe my mind is trying to convince me that I need a Gibson SG)

(This message was last edited by Viera at 05:36 PM, Aug 20th, 2017)

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Aug 20th, 2017 03:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, Viera, that is what I wanted to hear. I really like the Martin Modified V.

I think you should stop by that shop and check out their Santa Cruz. And then if you buy that OM you can blame it on me and keep yourself out of trouble.

I wonder how the SC 1929 00 compares with that Martin Jeff Tweedy?

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Aug 20th, 2017 04:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would lean towards the Martin Jeff Tweedy. You get the Martin Mod V neck and a guitar that costs about half of what the Santa Cruz costs. I really like the looks of the mahogany burst top of the Tweedy.

The biggest difference I can see between the 1929 00 and the Tweedy is the scale length. The 25.4" of the Tweedy should give it a little more zing, but maybe you would prefer a the shorter scale length of the 1929 00.

FWIW I've owned a couple of Santa Cruz's and about 4 higher end Martins. IMHO the Martins were as good as the SCs with regards to build quality, playability, and sound. Actually I preferred the playability of the Martins, but that's just me.

I'll let you know whether I check out that Santa Cruz tomorrow and yes, I'll blame you if I walk out of that store with the OM or some other pricy item. :-)

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Aug 20th, 2017 04:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dietze Music in Omaha had the Jeff Tweedy in stock a few months ago - don't know if it's still there.

The first time I played it, I really liked the tone, the second time, I wasn't so sure (but I may have been playing some louder D-series Martin's that threw my ears off - can't remember). The build and feel of the Tweedy was great.

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Aug 20th, 2017 04:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yep, good advice. What I'm after is a small-bodied all mahogany guitar with a nice fat neck. The best options appear to be the Martin or the SC, but I will probably never get the chance to test-drive either.

Both the Martin and the SC have their good points.

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Aug 20th, 2017 04:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They did, mikey, and I had forgotten that I played it there. It was gone last time I was there, maybe 8 weeks ago.

I seem to recall that I liked it a lot, but was looking for a 12-fretter at the time.

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Aug 21st, 2017 03:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, I checked out the Santa Cruz 1929 00 at Guitars San Diego today; some thoughts:

Fit and finish - Top notch as would be expected from a high end builder like Santa Cruz.

Neck – V shaped neck. Much more pronounced than the Martin Mod V, especially up the neck. That would probably be a deal breaker for me. I wouldn’t describe the neck as “fat”, just slightly on the fatter side. It had a satin finish which I liked.

Fretboard/Setup – Well set up with about average height of action. There were no dead spots. Bends worked well on the 1st & 2nd strings (no fretting out). I didn’t mess around with bends on the lower strings. Overall it played well.

Sound – I very much liked the 1st & 2nd strings all the way up the neck; very sweet with excellent projection.
The mids were nice also; pretty much what I would expect from a scalloped braced all mahogany 00.
Frankly I was a little underwhelmed with the lows. I thought that it was lacking in punch and in projection. Some of that might be due to the 24.75” scale length, but I’ve played shorter scale 00s that had much more going on in the lower end.

Hope this helps and happy shopping.
BTW, I didn’t check out any other guitars. This place only sells high end stuff. I bought a couple of sets of strings and got the heck out of there. :)


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Aug 21st, 2017 06:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Excellent review, Viera, thank you.

I think I'd be okay with the neck shape, and I like the satin as well.

Do you think the low end would come to life in a couple of years?

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Aug 21st, 2017 07:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Do you think the low end would come to life in a couple of years?"

Disclaimer - I'm no expert

Yes and no. I'd guess that most acoustics break in at least some over time. I hear that mahogany topped acoustics can take more time/playing. Can one "break in" enough to significantly change the character of the instrument? I doubt it.

My rule of thumb (for more expensive guitars) is that if it doesn't sound great right out of the gates I won't take a chance on it improving over time.

That said if you're looking for a smaller acoustic to play fairly quietly sitting on the living room couch this guitar has that in spades. If you play a lot of bluesy/rock, or even blue grass, then it might not quite cut it.

I wish that you could play it first. My taste and ears might be quite different from yours. It is a pretty cool 00.

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Aug 21st, 2017 08:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm now 2 hours from Denver, so maybe one of these days I'll call around and see if anyone has one and drive on down. Then I can play before I buy.

If you don't mind, I'm going to borrow your rule of thumb, it's a good one. Thanks again for your opinion & advice.

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Aug 21st, 2017 09:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Do you think the low end would come to life in a couple of years?"

...and could you let me know how much it's going to snow this winter, while you're at it? That'd be a big help, too. LOL....

"...if it doesn't sound great right out of the gates I won't take a chance on it improving over time."

I'd call that exceedingly wise. A fine instrument should be great at the outset and then (even) improve from there over time. If it doesn't meet your expectations at the outset, you'll be playing and waiting instead of playing and enjoying.



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Aug 24th, 2017 09:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd rather have the CEO-7 than the Jeff Tweedy (which I do). Looks much better, sounds much better, Adirondack spruce top and Adirondack 1/4" braces vs. mahogany top and European spruce 5/16" braces.

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