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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Ultra Bright White Ash Strat?

5Strats
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GospelBilly!
Aug 10th, 2017 03:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My modified 70's Classic Strat with an ash body and maple neck and fretboard is super bright.

The pup assembly in this guitar is USA with two Texas Specials and a JB Jr. in the bridge.

Even with the tone control rolled back, the bridge pup is too bright. I don't want to adjust my amps and pedals just for this guitar.

Should it stay or should it go now? It plays well and the trem stays in tune. (ps - I own 6 other Strats, all with alder bodies and rosewood fretboards).

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Aug 10th, 2017 05:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have an Am Dlx 50th that seems overly bright to me. I finally tamed it a bit with VanZandt Blues PUs and a Fender Floyd Rose bridge from a Strat Plus Dlx Ultra.

I prolly should have let it go but put a lot of parts on it. I'm still thinking of selling it. (less the rare Floyd bridge)

It's been on the wall for months maybe years now and I have not pulled it down to play it least of all take it to a gig or jam.

I've never been able to say different tone wood cause bright or dark. My guitar is alder with a rosewood board. Go figure.

I had a JB Jr in a Tele for a while and it was very dark in sound.

What pots are in your Strat? 250K?

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Aug 10th, 2017 06:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And what caps, etc., for tone control?

5Strats
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GospelBilly!
Aug 11th, 2017 05:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I not sure about the pots and caps. This pup assembly is from a 1994 50th Anniversary Strat, as modified by me to change the pups.

Could changing the pots and/or caps make an appreciable difference in tone?

I assumed the primary reason for the brightness was the ash body and the maple neck and fretboard.

(This message was last edited by 5Strats at 07:15 AM, Aug 11th, 2017)

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Aug 11th, 2017 07:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I thought this was a thread about a toothpaste-inspired guitar.

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Aug 11th, 2017 09:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah...I was originally planning a cheeky response with, "Why not paint it a darker color."



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Aug 11th, 2017 11:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My Classic '70s is fitted with CS '69s. It always seemed too bright in all positions until I did the bridge pup tone mod. Although the mod doesn't affect the mid and neck pups it mellowed brightness for all switch positions and not just the bridge pup. I don't know why the sound of all positions seemed to change, I'm guessing it's some psychological thing, and don't care because the guitar gets way more use than it used to because it it's pleasing to the ear. Maybe it's psychological because I cleaned up the spaghetti wiring in the cavity at the time of the mod. Anyway, back on track, I'd definitely be looking at capacitors, and if that doesn't satisfy I'd be researching new pups (especially if everything else about the guitar is good). I can never remember which capacitance change, up or down, tame the highs but there'd be plenty of info tucked away in the bowels of FDP, and all over google too.

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Aug 12th, 2017 05:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would probably move the guitar along. But I would also swap out the pickguard/pickups first. Those sound like keepers.

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GospelBilly!
Aug 12th, 2017 05:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Leftee - Yes, that makes sense, including about keeping the pup assembly.

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Aug 12th, 2017 06:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you liked the pg assembly on other guitars it might be that this guitar is never going to meet your tonal expectations.

Woot!

Band name alert!

Tonal Expectations

60CycleHum

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Aug 12th, 2017 07:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

sounds weird, but I've had guitars like that and put 11's on them and they were still kinda bright, but more like a mid-bright...

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GospelBilly!
Aug 12th, 2017 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Leftee - I've had this pup assembly installed in an alder body Strat with a rosewood fretboard and really liked the tone.

I guess I need a new soldering gun. (:oD

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Aug 13th, 2017 04:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Vintage strats used a .1uF cap, that could make a huge difference.

Bridge tone mod

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Aug 14th, 2017 05:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think my current Warmoth Strat sports a .1uF cap. How would that work with those pickups listed above?

5Strats
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GospelBilly!
Aug 30th, 2017 05:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The "ultra bright white" is gone. I replaced it with an Epiphone ES 335 Pro which is a super nice guitar (and my only semi hollow body electric).

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our time in hell
Aug 30th, 2017 07:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

But does it make your whites whiter and your smile smily-er?


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GospelBilly!
Aug 30th, 2017 10:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Why yes, yes it does! (:oE

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Aug 30th, 2017 10:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A standard Strat does not have a tone control for the bridge PUP. See what value of caps the other two tone controls use, and try putting a similar cap between the bridge PUP output and ground.

If it is still too bright, you may need to change the bridge PUP, since it is different than the other two. Or maybe a Bumhucker would be good here.

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GospelBilly!
Aug 31st, 2017 04:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

El - The dearly departed Strat had a MIA pup assembly installed with a Seymour Duncan JB Jr. in the bridge and was STILL too bright.

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