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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Confusing Fender White..colors....

jay1vinton

Hawaii, USA

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Aug 1st, 2017 05:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a MiM strat, it's white, but it's not. Does the serial give any indication of what actual color the guitar is??

It's not vintage, but resembles it due to UV. It's not light enough for Arctic or Olympic, but is creamy looking...too many shades.

(This message was last edited by jay1vinton at 07:29 PM, Aug 1st, 2017)

Mick Reid
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Aug 1st, 2017 06:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Arctic Olympic

But is creamy looking too

Too many shades of

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I use to hate white guitars. Now I own two.
One Oly White Mustang and one Arctic White Tele.
Really like them both.

I didn't realise just how different they are until I just put them side by each.
Arctic is definitely on the creamy side.


jay1vinton

Hawaii, USA

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Aug 1st, 2017 07:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've seen so many variations, I don't know what I have. Then... if you put a mint pick guard on, yet another shade...

I'll just play it.

reverendrob
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Aug 4th, 2017 06:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You could email Fender - assuming it shipped from the factory with that body, they can probably tell you.

The Oly White on most MIMs ages (albeit differently than nitro) as well, and is subject to variation from run to run as well IME.

Modal Magic
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Aug 5th, 2017 11:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've re-posted, a few times now, an explanation from Fender that Oly White and Arctic White are the same white. Oly White was re-named to Arctic White because it fitted with the International Strat marketing thing at the time (cant remember all the colours but orange, brown and white were three of them). I couldn't be bothered digging up the thread again but it's somewhere in the depths of the FDP.

All the marketing pictures of Arctic White guitars I've seen indicted a bright, non-creamy white. I've had two Arctic White guitars and they both had that Oly White creaminess which led me to research the differences (which there is none).


Purple Valley
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Aug 5th, 2017 11:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, this story from Fender doesn't compute. Arctic White is a bright white. Oly is slightly creamy...that turns to cream/yellow as it ages (assuming it's a Nitro....Poly won't change that much).

Then there's Vintage White--like the Yngwie models--that is more yellow, to look like aged Oly

(This message was last edited by Purple Valley at 01:24 AM, Aug 6th, 2017)

Modal Magic
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Aug 5th, 2017 11:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As I said I had two Arctic White Strats, both creamy in colour. One started turning more yellow as time progressed because, I believe, it sat in a shop window in Thailand soaking sun (I bought the guitar at the said shop in Thailand). The other Strat had never, as far as I know, soaked up any sun because I purchased brand new and it spent it's little time in a shop with only artificial light.

They were both Arctic White Mexican Standards with a poly finish. I was confused too 'cause I thought they were mislabelled and were actually Oly White, which led me to research the matter.

They were definitely Arctic White because that's what Fender chose to call the finish; the paint formula is the same as Oly White. I have read nothing yet that discounts the claim that Fender made on the FDP.

I have never seen a bright, non-creamy Arctic White Strat other than from marketing pictures, such as in there catalogues. I made a point of looking at them in shops, if there was examples to look at.

Happy to be corrected if someone has evidence that supports Oly and Arctic are two different whites.

Purple Valley
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Aug 5th, 2017 11:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Modal--Yeah. This is totally against everything I know about Arctic. Every MIM Arctic White I've seen has been a bright Liquid Paper-type white.

Not conclusive, though. My memory could be influenced by the promo photos!

(This message was last edited by Purple Valley at 01:49 AM, Aug 6th, 2017)

Mick Reid
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Aug 6th, 2017 02:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Every MIM Arctic White I've seen has been a bright Liquid Paper-type white."

Interesting. As I mentioned above, my Arctic White Tele is definitely a darker, creamier shade than the Oly White Mustang.

However, it is worth mentioning that the Mustang is a 2016 MIM which I purchased new this year and the Tele is a 2013 MIM which I bought 2nd hand in 11/2016.

Not knowing the true history of the tele, I have no way of telling if it may have sat in a shopfront window or something. The guy *I* bought it from claimed he bought it "new 12 months ago".
I guess it could have NOS in sitting in a shop for 3 years...


macatt

Pacific Northwest

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Aug 9th, 2017 05:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The shades of Arctic and Olympic white have changed back and forth over the years. That's why there is so much confusion about the matter.

On top of that, it's the clear coat that has the most tendency to yellow over time and exposure to light.
Some white guitars were not clear coated and possibly different formulas were used at different times.

S Mac

Hammond101
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Aug 9th, 2017 12:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

1981 Oly White Bullet. Under the pickguard it looks like new Oly White. Yes it has darkened that much and has a poly finish.

I like what has happened to the finish, darker than a Vintage White of today.

No longer white

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Aug 9th, 2017 01:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Jimi played a white Strat at Woodstock; good enough for me. Uh, probably too good for me.

MLC

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Aug 10th, 2017 06:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No way Artic White and Olympic White are the same color.
I don't care what Fender says.

I have a Strat in Oly White and a Tele in Arctic White - both MIM guitars.
The 2 are not even close to being the same color.
Arctic is bright, bright white, while the Oly has a creaminess to it - definitely darker with more yellow in it.

Both bodies are ~2000 era Fenders.

Doesn't really matter to me, but there is certainly a very noticeable difference between the two.

Hammond101
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Aug 10th, 2017 09:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree in the difference between A & O white. Much creamier/darker with the O.

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Aug 11th, 2017 01:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This is interesting - as I didn't know Fender ever used the color (or color name) Olympic White on MIM Fenders... I've only seen Arctic White.

I thought Oly White was reserved for MIA (and maybe MIJ) guitars.

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Aug 11th, 2017 04:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Fender has been using Oly White on some MIMs for years including the Jimmie Vaughan Strat. Other current MIM Olys include:
Road Worn '60s Strat
Deluxe Roadhouse Strat

MIM Standards appear to be only offered in Arctic White other than maybe special runs.

Oly has always looked darker and creamier than Arctic to me.

Modal Magic
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Aug 11th, 2017 11:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

An old thread discussing the Oly Vs. Arctic Thing...

External link

Modal Magic
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Aug 11th, 2017 11:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The thread with Fenders response regarding the two whites...

External link

Viera
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Aug 12th, 2017 09:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well then, Arctic has always looked darker and creamier than Oly to me. :-)

Nice investigative work Modal Magic.

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