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telewired
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Jul 29th, 2017 04:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So I just purchased a 1979 Ibanez GB10 with signed label by George Benson---Bought from estate of LEON WARREN who was BB Kings guitarist for years and one he used regularly playing with the King--- So pickgaurd gassed off and is mia. Bridge pup is missing. Neck pickup not working but could be just a loose wire---and needs some fret work up high on the neck. Also base is bridge is original but not the top part of bridge.
So what would you do?? I am thinking a full refret and two new pickups---either Fralin or Lollar----

Leon Warrens Ibanez 1979 GB10

twangdoodles

michigan usa

Jul 30th, 2017 05:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Nice! Looks like it was rode hard and put away wet.

I would do the same as you suggest. From the pic it looks like there isn't much left on those frets anyway. Or are those guitars made in the style of the "fretless wonder"?

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Jul 30th, 2017 06:49 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, refret.

I'd give the neck pickup a try - if it still works. It had "the tone" for many years.

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Jul 30th, 2017 01:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looks pretty scungy. The high frets look like they were severely leveled and not profiled very well.

First order of business appears to be a full-scale DNA removal operation!

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Jul 30th, 2017 02:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Forensics to the rescue---- " scungy " word for the day.

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Jul 30th, 2017 02:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I will need to find a good luthier to do the fret work----here or around Kansas City--- I know Mass Street Music but they are crazy expensive.

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Jul 30th, 2017 03:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Curious, was the bridge pickup mounted to a pick guard and wired through the "F" holes?

It looks really cool.

telewired
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Jul 30th, 2017 04:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes both pickups were attached to pickgaurd---wired through fhole---
Maybe I should gut holes in top and install humbuckers---
NOT---
Maybe get neck pickup rewound and just use a single neck pickup----heck I do not know----

FunkyKikuchiyo

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Jul 30th, 2017 05:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

how expensive is "crazy expensive"? If you brought that in to me, I'd charge you $385 to refret and make a new nut, before electronic work.

Neck pickup likely has bad leads or solder connections going to the leads from the magnet wire due to all of that corrosion. The coils themselves are unlikely to be damaged, but who knows. Gibsons of the same design weren't wax potted, but not sure about Ibanez. In any case, someone who knows what they're doing with guitar electronics can diagnose it after taking it apart.

The biggest challenge (if it was on my bench) would be recreating the old guard and mounts. I'd say any pictures/diagrams/whatever you can find will greatly help whoever has to work on this eventually. If you're lucky, the new ones will work, at least close enough to be modified for a few changind dimensions. Alternately, you could just run it with a neck pickup, then you have all sorts of options. IMO, unless you're talking about a Gretsch or something, archtop bridge pickups are kinda useless.

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Jul 30th, 2017 05:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You might also check with W-D to see if they have the GB template in their shop. I'll betcha they do.

Jeannie Pickguards also makes custom stuff and has hundreds of templates, but the reviews and comments from players over the last few years have been hit and miss; Roger (owner) is a bit flaky to deal with sometimes.

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Jul 30th, 2017 08:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pickgaurd and hardware can be found------
I will probably get it refretted----just keep neck pickup---maybe change out for a Kent Armstrong HandWound humbucker or Lollar Low Wind or something.... Or restore the one on it--the mini humbucker----
I know I want a warm woody full tone-----
Funky I wish shipping was not so much---but the last few guitars I shipped were like $80 each......

GB10 Pickgaurd

jazzguy

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Aug 4th, 2017 09:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

nasty pickguard offgassing, man that stuff is caustic.
I've seen instances where it literally burned right through the lid of the case from being closed for so long.

FunkyKikuchiyo

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Aug 4th, 2017 08:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

yeah, pickguard offgassing is basically chlorine gas. No fun.

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Aug 4th, 2017 08:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's what ate up the metal on the neck pickup.

FunkyKikuchiyo

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Aug 4th, 2017 08:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Gonna add that I included my own pricing as a reference to give an idea of what the going rate is... soliciting my services would be against FDP rules, after all.

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Aug 5th, 2017 04:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Funkmeister---I understand you were only giving me a reference-----Mass Street Music says 500-600 dollars for refret---does not include nut or anything else---New nut-$75---Not this nut has a brass piece tight up against it like a zero fret.
The neck pickup does work--well I got noise through it when plugged in--the entire guitar needs a good cleaning---The first frets to about the the 12 fret look ok----but than someone went to work on the remaining frets----So I may get by with a partial refret----The frets are huge---But I cannot wait to get it back together--need to find a good fretman----or fret woman--who would you recommend around kansas city-----would like not to have to ship---

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