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BbendFender
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Jul 26th, 2017 09:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys. They guitar/amp tech I'm talking about is not on the FDP but is a "god" on another forum.

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Jul 26th, 2017 10:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There's nothing wrong with leaving the knobs alone.

If he says "toe-MAH-toe" and wants you to say it the exact same way--or you'll be wrong, he can go pound his potentiometer [shrug]

reverendrob
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Jul 26th, 2017 10:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I live in the dust bowl, between the potato fields, building construction, and my own Byzantine church-level incense habit.

I only turn knobs, well, when they need to be turned.

There are amps I *never* turned the knobs on channels I didn't use in years of gigging, or things that *never* got changed on the Space Echo, etc.

Yet...they kept working just fine for a decade of abuse!

Mick Reid
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Jul 26th, 2017 11:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"He's one of those that if it has a knob, you can bet your bottom dollar he is going to turn it."

Hah!!! Reminds me of guy I knew years ago that would always offer to "do sound" for you...

He turned knobs and pushed sliders like he was playing a freaking electronic instrument!
Cripes he was annoying!


davywhizz
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Jul 27th, 2017 05:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of the wisest things I ever heard, from someone I knew about a soundman we had who wasn't that good: "he mixes with his eyes not his ears".
Personally, all I do on guitar amps or PA mixers is turn the master volumes down to zero at the end of a gig. Just to avoid any unwanted noises when they go back on again.



reverend mikey
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Jul 27th, 2017 08:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I tweak the knobs on my guitar amp when I switch from single coil to humbucker equipped guitars... that's pretty much it.

(This message was last edited by reverend mikey at 10:13 AM, Jul 27th, 2017)

DrKev
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Jul 27th, 2017 09:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know where I like to start with my knobs but each room and stage sounds different and gets adjusted accordingly, a balance between what I like to hear and front of house and I have a 'technique' for micing the amp that helps. For me, it doesn't make any sense at all to never touch the dials.

BbendFender
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Jul 27th, 2017 09:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think most get the point but maybe not all. I'm talking about turning "every" knob back to "0" at the end of every gig. No sense in doing this.

urbtone

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Jul 27th, 2017 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I like to leave the PA knobs alone - amps too. But now it's not like the olden days. :>) Everybody has a camera now - just take a pic of the knob settings you liked, and let the guy turn 'em back to zero. Problem solved.

carsten

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Jul 27th, 2017 01:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Haha ;-)

I was going to say something, but then urbtone solved all the problems:

"Everybody has a camera now - just take a pic of the knob settings you liked, and let the guy turn 'em back to zero."

cheers - C.

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Jul 27th, 2017 01:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Everybody has a camera now..."

Not.

Though I've made my career as a pro photographer, that ain't the kind of gear I bring to a gig. And, no...I don't own a phone, either.

I'm happy leaving the knobs where they are and if need be adjust them to the specifics of wherever I'm playing. Just as easy (if not more so).

fiestared

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Turn that thing down!
Jul 27th, 2017 02:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The last cover band I played in, the standing rule was all settings were left alone at the end of the gig. Those settings were the starting point for the next gig. That rule worked out very well for 13 years. It saved a lot of time at the next gig.

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Jul 27th, 2017 03:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I leave my amp and the PA settings as is; then adjust as needed next time.

Ayns

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Jul 27th, 2017 03:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

At one gig few years back we spent about 40 minutes "sound checking", which was quite a long time for us. When we eventually got a decent sound we called it a wrap, at which point our bass player walked over to the desk and pulled all the individual channel sliders back down to zero!!!!!

I was so astonished I didn't know what to say to him. He thought he was doing good. :-(



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Jul 27th, 2017 04:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Does he touch your amp? Tweaking another guy's amp is over the line. If he's doing that you might wire up a footswitchable ground lift.

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Jul 27th, 2017 04:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I was so astonished I didn't know what to say to him. He thought he was doing good. :-("

People who don't know how to operate a PA or who don't know a thing about tone should leave the equipment alone.

One of the guys in my old geezer band will sometimes set every knob on his amp on the exact same number. Most of the time it is 2 or 3. I pointed this out to him and talked to him about it and he said "I like it that way". He is the same guy who raked his hand across the controls of our old Shure Vocal Master right after we finished a gig. His tone is usually terrible.


Ayns

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Jul 28th, 2017 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll admit, when I first started gigging, back in the '70's, I used to have all the controls on "10", apart from volume which was usually 2 or 3 (Marshall stack). :-)

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Jul 28th, 2017 09:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Back in the day and today as well I guess, I zero all outputs and channel sliders on PA mixers. I mute all channels. Break switch engaged. You just never know who is going to be plugging in and making huge pops. Mixer on first, amps on last as a general rule. I never touch EQ unless needed. I have Mackie boards that are 15+ years old and work perfectly.

I now have a wireless mixer and the Mackies stay pretty much at home. Very convenient. I save the "scene" at the end of each gig for each room we play in and for other bands I do sound for. Very little fiddling except for muting and unmuting channels and the mains. So if I'm doing sound for the Silver Beatles for example I just call up their file and load it. The virtual mixer display is all set up, channel labled, EQ'd and I have a rough mix if not time for a real sound check. Unmute and I'm ready for the show. No pots, no muss, no fuss and NO SNAKE, yay.

The amp tech has his way and that's the way they/we are. Everybody sees things differently. Ideally a pot that's twisted a bit should stay cleaner however it will wear a bit more. No difference IMO. They get dirty do to conditions of storage more than anything. This is where this stuff spends most of its time.

I will say that in one particular instance, QSC RMX series power amps, the volume pots for each channel should be cycled regularly. They are prone to dirt failure and don't clean well. I've replace 3-4 of them in my own gear and have a RMX850 in my bass rig that needs a pot now. I think the cooling fan drags crud into them.

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Jul 29th, 2017 12:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

With a few exceptions we all have a camera in our cell phone. So, yes its easy to take a photo of the settings and if they every get changed just check the photo on your phone.

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