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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Which Current Production Strat has the Best Whammy Bar ?

theaerovons

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Jul 16th, 2017 02:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm not talking about heavy metal dives, etc, just regular old surf music bends, that kind of stuff. Which holds tune the best in the current models? How is the Eric Johnson? or Jeff Beck Strat?

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Jul 17th, 2017 02:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The one that is set up the best.

I know that's not the answer you want to hear, but it's true: a decent tech can make just about any Strat Vibrato (six-screw, two-post, you name it) work great if they know what they're doing.

And once properly set up, all vibratos require some user maintenance to keep them working smoothly and quietly. Most important is lubrication: every place a string makes contact with the guitar gets a teensy bit of lube. The only points you don't lube where the strings touch anything are the tuner posts.

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Jul 17th, 2017 02:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I prefer the American Deluxe (now Elite) pop in whammy bar. It just feels the most comfortable to me.

As for the tremolo bridge: What Peegoo said, although I prefer the two-post types. I have an easier time getting them set to my liking.

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Jul 17th, 2017 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I agree with Viera on the pop-in arm and 2-point trem black things.

HOWEVER, all 4 of my American Deluxe HSS Strats are set up so the trem block doesn't move.

Faux pedal steel guitar licks don't really work well on a floating trem and that's one of the techniques I use. Also, tuning stays rock solid with this type of set up.

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Jul 17th, 2017 04:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm about to set up one of my Strats per what 5Strats does mostly for ease in going between alternate tunings, but there are other advantages too. My favorite will stay set to float.

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Jul 17th, 2017 05:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Surf guitar player here and I echo that it is all in the setup. Personally I have developed a liking for the 6 screw vintage style bridge. It seems to take a bit more pressure to move it while still always coming back to tune.

I also have Fenders with the 2-point trem that play just fine however they seem to float more easily and I like to palm mute a lot. The 2-point when not decked is more sensitive to going sharp when palm mute pressure is applied.

jay1vinton

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Jul 19th, 2017 02:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've discovered in my own Strat world that a great set up MAY leave the trem a bit wanting if all specs are factory as set up.

My Amstd has always been efforteless to trem, curiously, it has a long 6 1/2 in. arm. Lots of fulcrum.

My MiM also has a great setup and it leaves the trem wanting with the stock 5 1/2 in. arm. I found a stainless steel 6 in in 5 mm which is MiM threading, and that half inch added just enough to make it effortless too.

I don't know if I've ever noticed, or cared to, that at least the 90's strats have longer trem arms than what is now standard.

(This message was last edited by jay1vinton at 08:10 PM, Aug 8th, 2017)

60CycleHum

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Jul 20th, 2017 07:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think Peegoo is right. It's all in the setup. I have a Floyd Rose Strat which stays in tune perfectly, but I also have an Am Std with 11's that stays in tune just as well. I have a deluxe, which is also good... but not a fan of pop-in arms, and if Fender insists on doing it, they should check out how PRS is doing it.

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Jul 21st, 2017 06:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Is there any easy way to convert a screw-in arm to a pop-in? That's the one thing that annoys me about my AmStd.

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Jul 21st, 2017 03:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yep. But you need to buy the matching bridge plate.

I installed one of

these on my 2000 Am Std Strat. Love it! It is a quality part.

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Jul 21st, 2017 03:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Be sure to place a teensy drop of light oil at the two knife-edge and post pivot points.

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Jul 21st, 2017 06:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks!

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Jul 22nd, 2017 01:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I totally agree that reducing friction is the key to tuning stability, I lube the nut slots, string trees, tops of saddles.

On vintage-style six screw terms, I lube the smooth upper part of the shaft of the six screws. The edge of the bevel on the underside of the plate rides on the guitar top so keep it clean and use a 2B pencil along the edge of the plate (rather than use a liquid or goopy lube in contact with the guitar top).

On modern two-post bridges, I don't lube the knife edge and post pivot points any more. There is no actual motion across a surface at the contact point, so lube is unnecessary. My number 1 guitar has this style of bridge and I've had no deterioration in tuning stability whatsoever since I stopped lubing there.



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Jul 22nd, 2017 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks again for the tip on the GF trem, Geno - I have one on order.

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Jul 22nd, 2017 01:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's a good one, Ken. You'll like it.

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