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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / Feeback wanted for Fender LSR roller nut

Guitar 4 Him

USA

Jun 16th, 2017 12:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Have a great w-end everyone...thinking about installing this nut on one of my Strats ( maple neck )...please give feedback on any experience you may have such as level of difficulty of installation, did it help with returning guitar to pitch after tremolo bend, did you notice change in tone with open notes ,etc. May I say at this point I am not a luthier, but somewhat handy with hand tools with attention to detail...Also, would locking tuners be of help ? I searched archives but came up empty. Maybe a dive bomb once in a while ...LOL THX in advance....there is a storehouse of knowledge on this site !!!

DrKev
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Jun 16th, 2017 12:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would suggest locking tuners before going for the roller nut. A modern two point tremolo, locking tuners, and a little lubrication in the nut slots can stay in tune very well.

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Jun 16th, 2017 12:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have 2 AmDlx Strats. One has the LSR nut and the other a stock synth bone nut. Both stay in tune well. Both have locking tuners. (recommended)

If set up correctly there should be no reason a standard nut would not work properly. The slots must be smooth and not bind and a lubricant must be used.

Unless you have a guitar with Floyd Rose style bridge and a locking nut, nothing is going to allow huge dive bombs and come back to pitch.

All this being said, I have no issues with the LSR equipped guitar. The nut works as it should. These do need a bit of lube from time to time same as the standards. I play a lot of surf music so I'm using the wang bar a lot. No big dives however.

Guitar 4 Him

USA

Jun 16th, 2017 02:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the feedback...much appreciated !!!

FunkyKikuchiyo

VT

Jun 16th, 2017 08:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you're not sure if you want to do this, then know that there is a litany of things you can do before it to try to get tuning better.

Installation difficulty... depends. You need to rout it out, and you're taking off on the fingerboard/first fret side, so a bit of measuring and consideration is required. There isn't much fixing or going back if it doesn't go right... not easily, anyway. If you're handy with a router, you're good. If not, it would be tricky. It could be done with classic woodworking tools, but fairly tediously.

I'm not as big of a fan of locking tuners as my FDP compatriots. If you take the slack of the string and tuck it under the first winding, you basically get a locking tuner but without the locking mechanism to add weight and break strings. It tunes up quick and lets you have fewer wraps without slipping. Also, it will cost you nothing but a new set of strings. Locking tuners are of most value to people who simply prefer to string up that way than to do the wrap and tune up.

One thing to remember with the LSR is that many guitars that have them also lack string trees which are notoriously wonky. Having wonky string trees with an LSR would be a bit self defeating. If you have two string trees, try pulling the D and G out of the tree and see if you can get decent tone.

A bunch of things to help tuning w/trem besides modifications:
Smoothing nut with 600-800 grit sandpaper
Evening out bridge posts heights (for 6-screw bridges)
A well disciplined stringing method
Replacing trem springs with new ones (only if the guitar is fairly old... a new guitar won't really benefit)
Modifying/replacing string trees (depends on what you have)
Teflon powder

ejm

usa

Jun 17th, 2017 09:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What was said by the previous posters.

If you want to do it because you're curious about the LSR, or just because you can, that's one thing.

If you want to do it because you're having tuning problems, I'd advise doing some thinking first.

IMO the trem (it's actually a vibrato) is essentially another effect or instrument. You need to learn the "tricks" to setting it up, as well as actually playing it.

The guys that can't keep it in tune usually do not have the basic fine tuning done to the guitar, that will help keep it in tune. Either that, or they think that they can jump on it like a diving board and have it stay in tune without learning how to actually "play" it.

Locking tuners: I am a big fan of them. But, as Funky said, they are not absolutely necessary. On the Kinman web site there used to be a tutorial on how to string up using two different kinds of tuners. Using that method you pretty much get the result of locking tuners, with one wrap or less of string around the post. For anyone having tuning problems I'd recommend trying this first (along with making sure the nut is in good shape).

I just looked on the Kinman site and could not find it. It may be in an area that requires to to "subscribe" (just like here at the FDP).

I always advise people that there are two nuts on a guitar that contribute greatly to keeping it in tune. One is located at the end of the fingerboard near the tuning keys. The other is the one standing behind the guitar and playing it.

Finally, the issue of trem/Strat keeping in tune-ness has been discussed mucho times on the FDP over the years. If that is the real issue, try doing some creative searches, probably in the Stratocaster area.

Good luck to you whatever you do.


hotblooze

World Traveler

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Jun 17th, 2017 10:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Do take note that LSR nut are for 1-11/16" nut width. It will not fit vintage Fender necks which are 1-5/8" wide.

Guitar 4 Him

USA

Jun 17th, 2017 05:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thx much to my guitar compatriots for your time and great knowledge. I will try the simplest recommendations such as working with the nut slots and attention to detail on the windings, and lubricant. Teflon powder is an awesome suggestion...again, thank you and God bless !!! As a side note, will not go by way of the roller nut....LOL


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Jun 18th, 2017 10:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Look here for some good advice on keeping a standard Strat in tune. This is one of several ways to keep things more stable when yankin' and crankin' on the bar.

External link

ejm

usa

Jun 18th, 2017 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Peegoo's link to Frudua is a good place to start. However, as with most things in life, there are many ways to do something.

Watch videos, read articles, etc etc etc. Take what works from several sources, weed out what seems to work for you and what doesn't, and keep exploring and learning.

The Fender site (Mr. Gearhead) used to have some information.
Carl Verheyen also has a video or two on YT that has what works for him.


Guitar 4 Him

USA

Jun 18th, 2017 11:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys for links...HAPPY Father's Day !!!


DrKev
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Paris, France

It's just a guitar, not rocket science.
Jun 18th, 2017 03:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Carl Verheyen also has a video or two on YT that has what works for him."

Yes but Verheyen's ideas on angling the spring claw to balance string tension are unnecessary and bad physics. Learn from his excellent playing but not from his setup ideas.

mroulier
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Jun 27th, 2017 08:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had an MIJ Telecaster with a pretend Floyd Rose tremolo. LSR nut with locking tuners took care of the stability issues. I had it professionally installed...it was worth getting it done right. Plus he had to remove the cheapo locking unit that was after the nut and fix the holes that were left from that.

ejm

usa

Jun 27th, 2017 03:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Dr Kev: Why are CV's spring set up bad physics?
What would be wrong in doing it the way that he does?


DrKev
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Paris, France

It's just a guitar, not rocket science.
Jun 29th, 2017 04:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

His angled spring claw thing is entirely unnecessary. his way works just as well as anything else.

The bridge does not care where the tension is distributed in the springs or strings. The only thing that counts is the total tension. You can angle the claw one way, or the other way, or have it flat, or put all the string on one side or the other, and the trem will perform equally well every time.

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