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Peegoo
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Jun 16th, 2017 02:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Doesn't bother me none.

Let me put things into perspective: Why did we get into this rock and roll bidniz in the *first* place?

I get just as many wommerns with a SS amp as I do with a tube amp.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 04:54 PM, Jun 16th, 2017)

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Jun 16th, 2017 02:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

".....Those who understand how things are supposed to sound like can tell the difference. ....."

Ummm, effectively, no.

I understand how "things are supposed to sound" and the best of my solid-state guitar amplifiers (Boss Katana and Fender Mustang) rank right up there in overall sound quality with my greatly-loved tube amps. (Mesas, Fenders, Marshalls and Ampegs.

My friend's Kemper Profiler, with high-quality profiles loaded, also, essentially, makes doctrinaire sound judgements quite meaningless. People WILL fail in attempting to decide if it is "this" technology or "that" technology.

I would use any of my amps unhesitatingly in recording or at a gig. (given reasonable conditions, such as P.A. help for my 5 watt blackface Champ.

Mike

LeftyMeister

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Jun 16th, 2017 03:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Those who understand how things are supposed to sound like can tell the difference."

Who decides how thing are 'supposed' to sound? Isn't it the person plucking the strings?

I'm reminded of some Harley riders who claim a bike isn't a real bike unless it sounds like a Harley.

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Jun 17th, 2017 03:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I concur that SS has gotten a whole lot better "emulating" the sound of a tube amp. If SS builders didn't think tubes sounded different than transistors, they wouldn't try to "emulate" the tube sound which is generally rounder, fatter and yes, noisier than SS. I don't have anything against SS amps. I bought one of the 1st little Yamaha practice amps to be released. (I forget the model number at the moment. The black one). It's a good sounding SS amp.

The whole discussion reminds me of a comparison between a 1959 LP Historic Reissue and a for real 1959 LP. The RI was killer sounding! But so was the real deal! They sounded different. The original was louder unplugged, had better sustain, was warmer sounding overall compared to the RI. The evaluators attributed the difference to the aging of the wood body, the Brazilian rosewood fingerboard and aging of electronics. The RI did a great job of "emulating" the sound of a real 59 but there were discernable differences that you just can't re-create. Maybe the RI will sound closer after 50 years of aging.

My point with the 59 comparison is that while the RI is a perfectly fine, capable instrument, it is not a 59. If you prefer the sound of the RI, Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! You can save a ton of money!

To me, it's the same way with tubes vs SS. They are not the same and I prefer the warm, round, fat sound of the tube for guitar.



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Jun 17th, 2017 03:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm not using tubes for breakup purposes, nor going for "classic" sounds, so they're largely interchangeable.

I want headroom. I want control.

I have more of that with the good SS amps.

And that's part of the problem though - so many of the SS amps are junkers for students and just price point amps.

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Jun 17th, 2017 06:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

".....Those who understand how things are supposed to sound like can tell the difference. ....."

Things can sound like whatever an artist wants. There are no limits.

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Jun 17th, 2017 06:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Possibly, if SS amps were invented and used before tube amps they would be the iconic, go-to tones because, well, the classic songs and tones would've been done that set the standard.


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Jun 17th, 2017 01:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I take a Princeton Reverb or a Deluxe Reverb as my main gig amp but I take an old Peavey Pacer 100 as a backup. I usually end up using the Peavey for my acoustic guitar and it sounds great with a Celestion speaker.
On one occasion my Fender faltered and I used the Pacer the entire evening for my Tele. Sounded great and is very reliable.

jhawkr
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Jun 17th, 2017 01:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Possibly, if SS amps were invented and used before tube amps they would be the iconic, go-to tones because, well, the classic songs and tones would've been done that set the standard."


An insightful thought. I would agree. It's what the person "expects" to hear that is the variable.

Right now, I have 4 15-20 watt combos. Fender Deluxe Reverb, Bassmaster 15, Vox AC15C1 AC15HW1X. So, just as easy for me to back up a tube amp with another tube amp. However, if I jump up to the 40-50 watt head/speaker combo, I could go Mahalo Katy 66, Bandmaster Reverb, BandMaster and back one up with a tiny 1-1/2 lb Vox MV50 AC. It doesn't have quite the bass response of the amps it would back-up but for the stuff I do, not really needed.

I am open to new things and the Nutube technology is the real deal IMO.


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Jun 17th, 2017 03:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"And that's part of the problem though - so many of the SS amps are junkers for students and just price point amps."

This is a key point - and it's been mentioned here before. If money is no object, solid state can sound "as good as" tube - very tube like.

I think of the Tech 21 Trademark 60, which has an amazing clean and overdrive channel ... and even though it's already a pricey SS amp, I think at an even higher price point, it could even sound more amazing (maybe with more controls to tweak each channel?) Isn't that what some of the Fractals and Quilters and a few others have proven?

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Jun 17th, 2017 04:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I have a 10+ year-old Vox AD30VT that still gets most of the at-home play time." -LeftyMeiser

+10 on that. I have one too and it's a great practice or grab and go amp. It does have a 12AX7 somewhere in there though.

LeftyMeister

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Jun 17th, 2017 04:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yep! You're right!

reverendrob
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Jun 17th, 2017 08:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When you get "higher priced", you're better off just getting power amp and cab combos tailored to whatever you used as the preamp - whether it's an analog or digital one, or a combo of both.

Gaukdawg

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Jun 18th, 2017 08:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Played a country club annual golf tourney last night and used my Parker. I don't usually noodle during sound check but that guitar through my 57 Twin setting sounded so sweet I couldn't help myself. Sounded great, Mustang III v2. I used 4 patches, The 57 Twin, a vox patch, a Marshall patch and an Orange patch. The Twin and Vox patches sound incredile ut I am not that happy with this Marshall Patch. I'll have to spend some time improving it. I have seperate sets of patches for each guitar. My Marshall patch with my PRS SE sounds great, just like a nice overdriven MArshall should.

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Jun 18th, 2017 05:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wut's a AMP?

Haven't had one of those for years now. Maybe 10 or 12 at the least. Moved over to a small (100W+)portable PA and have never looked back. Works for electric. Works for acoustic. Works for bass. Works for electric fiddle....etc., etc......If I need 'Color'
well...that's what peddles are for.

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Lenny1716

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Jun 18th, 2017 09:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I wouldn't be afraid to admit it, however; Of the five amps I own, I must say, I prefer the tones of my oldest tube amp, a 62 Fender Concert, over the newest SS, a Mustang III V2. Though the Mustang enables a much wider range of amps to emulate, which is useful.

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Jun 22nd, 2017 10:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Happy to report I get lots of thumb's up about the sound of my Fender Mustang III V1 when I'm gigging out in Florida. I found a good decent Twin Reverb sim, tweaked it and added some compression from my board's Comp66.

Serious players down in SoFla use them all over the place. One buddy who is in several tribute/cover bands uses 2 Mustang III's. He's sounds real good


jay1vinton

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Jul 6th, 2017 03:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just think, Lynyrd Skynyrd wouldn't be LS of old without SS Peavy's all round...

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Jul 6th, 2017 09:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've spent most of my life working on and performing with some of the really great tube type amps ever built...but my #1 amp now is the Roland Blues Cube Artist. IMO,it is equal to or better than many of, if not most of, the classic tube amps I've enjoyed over the many years. Is it perfect? No...but it comes close. :)

willie

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Jul 6th, 2017 09:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Going contrarian here...

I've had them both but tube amps just sound better to my ear. I did have a SS Princeton Chorus for sometime. Also I gave my Peavey studio practice amp a lot of play around the house.

But the bottom line is I wouldn't gig with them ever. At low volume the are fine but when you crank them it's just an ice pick jabbing my temple.

My plain old vanilla DRRI beats them all by a mile and is the #1 and I don't see that changing.

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