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Tony Wright
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Jun 6th, 2017 08:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just for the record...I really have a great respect for Peegoo. I enjoy his humor and I bow to his knowledge in all things.

Sorry if my lame attempt at humor makes you uncomfortable.

Deep

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Jun 7th, 2017 03:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Get the Yamaha THR10!

Therealfrogman

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Jun 7th, 2017 03:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Found a deal on a Peavey PVi4B for $40 and bought it, looks to be in pretty mint condition so now I have something to keep my anxiety up :-)

Rob Jai

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Jun 7th, 2017 04:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Yamaha THR amps are cool as a practice amp, but would it be loud enough for performance applications? In a quiet setting where nothing else but your playing is going on maybe, but in a room with a lot of background noise, people talking etc. I tend to think it would not be able to be cranked loud enough to cut through. I could be wrong.

Tony Wright
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Jun 7th, 2017 06:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I looked at the PVi4B owner's manual and it appears the powered mixer has both powered output to drive a passive 8 Ohm speaker (or two) AND it has an unpowered Line Out on the back of the powered mixer.

Thus you can drive a passive speaker, a powered speaker (via Line Out) AND you can also send an Unpowered signal into your current guitar amp via the same Line Out just as I suggested in the previous post where I suggested the Mackie Mix5.

That $40 powered mixer (assuming everything functions, which I am sure you have already checked) was a BARGAIN!!!! Well done.

You could run a one man show with that device...or you could bring a friend, both of you run thru the four channels and then plug in your choice of playback units including a drum machine or mp3 or CD player or iPad into the RCA inputs on the back, using the front "tape" control and the internal controls on whatever "outside source" and put on a two man show.

GREAT tool to keep. If you get in a band where the bass player has to hock his bass amp head, you could loan him the PVi4B at gigs to get thru the next payday. (I pick on bass players because I are one.)

Seriously, that powered mixer can replace a guitar, keyboard or bass amp in a crisis at a gig, so...as I said...GREAT tool to keep.

Pat yourself on the back!

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Jun 7th, 2017 07:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

SCORE!

Run a guitar or bass modeler into the high-Z input on that boxtop mixer and you'll have a totally giggable rig that will sound killer.

Nice find!

DrKev
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Jun 8th, 2017 12:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

@Rob Jai: I have a practiced with a quiet drummer and the THR amp. Not ideal but just about doable.

Therealfrogman

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Jun 8th, 2017 10:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So I found a what looks like one half of a PA sound system speaker that has both 1/4 jack and stereo speaker clips, its 8 ohms and is made by Digital Audio, the rating is 10-400 watts.

Ideally I would just have one speaker (this cabinet is about waist high and has a 12", 4" mid and a horn) the horn part of this is what I am not sure about. It is not something I can take back if I dont like it so what do you guys think?

Again, you guys are an amazing and incredible resource to say the least. Somehow I snuck an Epi Casino in here last without my wife asking me anything.... walked right by her carrying the case too ;-)


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Jun 8th, 2017 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use this right here into two EV 15"/Horn 2-way speakers. Does a fine job!

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Jun 8th, 2017 04:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That speaker should sound great. It may be a good idea to place it on the floor like a monitor wedge, pointed up at an angle toward the ceiling.

I suggest this because if the cabinet is at ear level, that horn tweeter may be too intense for you.

Some three-way cabs have an L-pad (volume control) on the tweeter to help prevent that eyeball-popping treble.

Tony Wright
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Jun 9th, 2017 06:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I am unfamiliar with "Digital Audio" brand speakers and did not find them in a Yahoo search, a search of eBay and a search of Musician's Friend.

Your description gives me one "minor" area of concern. Often, I have noticed that many "crossover" speakers that are used for home stereo, entertainment centers and small PA speakers will come equipped with "stereo clips".

To me, "stereo clips" suggests two of the spring loaded clamps that will hold a bare end wire. That is very rarely used in PA systems and live sound situations. My experience has been that those cabinets built to "crossover" both applications, "MAY" (or may not) have lesser quality speakers and/or other components.

However, the specifications of 400 Watts suggests that this cabinet was built to handle some power and with the mid range and high frequency speaker/horn also suggests that it was intended to support "full range" of the frequency spectrum.

Your PVi4B produces about 100 Watts at 8 Ohms, so it should not damage the speaker unless you turn it too high and clip the signal.

Since your plan is to use the equipment for home rehearsals, that should not be a significant concern. I am not discouraging you from the speaker, I am sharing information that will let you consider the possible limitations that this set "might" have.

Keep in mind that even if you did purchase this equipment and discovered you dislike the sound quality or damaged a speaker...every component in a speaker cabinet can be replaced (individually or all at once) with easy to obtain products.

If this speaker is available for you to "try out" at the seller's location (within driving distance) I suggest a simple "try it before you buy it". I would take both guitar and your digital music source (iPhone, notepad, etc).

EDIT TO ADD....
Be sure to take the Peavey PVi4B to power the Digital Audio speaker. (end edit)

BEFORE YOU GO...try the set up thru your guitar amp using a speaker cable out of the line out into your guitar amp to give you a reference for that sound quality to compare to the sound quality of the Digital Audio speaker you are considering.

No "speaker cable"? For no longer (or louder) than your "try it before you buy it" exercise...you could use a guitar cable. I DO NOT SUGGEST THIS FOR DAILY USE. But for a short duration "experiment" it should get you buy. NOTE: A guitar cable is NOT designed to carry a powered signal such as one from an amplifier to a speaker cabinet. They are prone to pick up interference due to the construction.

Speaker cable has two conductors normally made with multi-strand copper wire.

Instrument cable normally has a single wire conductor surrounded by a braided loom ground.

Peegoo's comments about a horn/tweeter near your ear is a concern as well. Laying it horizontal should help with the proximity of the horn/tweeter. A short 2x4 or 4x4 block should help prop it at an angle.

In the end...IGNORE ALL THE ADVICE! Or at least keep it in the back of your mind.

THE REAL TEST? USE YOUR EARS.

"If it sounds good, it IS good." At least for the "try it before you buy it".

You can pick up (or make your own) speaker cable at some point in the future. EDIT TO ADD: "In the very near future..." If you should discover that the 12 inch speaker has "issues" in the future...go buy one online or from a local source. You need advice for that purchase? Just ask, we all have opinions...and the only one that matters is YOURS.

You will make the right choice for YOU. You seem to be doing just fine thus far.

(This message was last edited by Tony Wright at 11:58 PM, Jun 9th, 2017)

Therealfrogman

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Jun 12th, 2017 03:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Update - I did not want to pay what they wanted for the speaker, they wanted $50 and I wanted to pay $30 - boo hoo. Anyway I found a set of KRK Rokit 5's for $160 and bought them, I have done some research on these speakers and I feel like this was a good deal for 2 of them and well beyond what I wanted to spend but I wont be looking back.

The mixer will arrive today and I will start looking things over and I did not ask you guys or get an opinion on this set but the reviews are not bad and I can use them for other things.

Can I use these powered speakers with a powered mixer I guess is my next question and I also want to use a switch to send my looper signal through the mixer to the Rokit's, right now I have them connected to my pc sound card and I am really liking what I hear..

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Jun 12th, 2017 04:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here is a link to the manual for the Peavey mixer.

You should be fine running the unit without speakers connected to the mains output. Solid state amps really don't care if they are open circuit. Just don't short the outputs.

The mixer has a line out so that should drive your powered speakers. It also has tape outputs (pre master). Those may be of some use to you as well.

PVi4B Manual

Mick Reid
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Jun 12th, 2017 05:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Also, looking at those Rokit 5's, they don't have a "link out" like a powered PA speaker so you can only run one Rockit out of the line out from the Peavey.

However, as Hammond pointed out, the "tape out" can be connected to the other Rockit. I'd guess that the mixer EQ doesn't effect the tape out. If I'm correct, you just have to control that EQ from the tape device itself. (not a big deal imo)

So doing it this way, you would have one speaker for your backing track and one speaker for your guitar; bass etc but no ability to "mix" the two, only the volume of each. Make any sense?


Tony Wright
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Jun 13th, 2017 10:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I mentioned using a powered speaker OR using your guitar amp via the PVi4B in a previous post.

To keep from boring you to death and also to keep from confusing you, here is my suggestion to connect the TWO Rokit 5 to the single Line Out on your Peavey PVi4B.

First you need a male 1/4 inch "tip/sleeve" plug to go into the Peavey PVi4B "Line Out". To speed the transition up, I suggest a "1/4 cable that connects to a XLR male plug".

Stay tuned and read the next reply...

See the link below via FDP sponsor Musician's Friend...

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Tony Wright
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Jun 13th, 2017 10:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

REPLY 2 as promised.

NOW attach the wye cable linked below from FDP sponsor Musician's Friend.

Take the wye cable linked below and you connect the single female XLR connection on the wye cable into the male XLR on the first cable suggested, the 1/4 male tip/sleeve to XLR male "high Z" microphone cable. The length of the first cable (1/4 male to XLR male) can be as short as 1 foot or as long as you choose.

NOW having added the "wye cable" simply....

Take two standard microphone cables (meaning male XLR on one end and femal XLR on the other end) that are the length you select...how far from Peavey PVi4B to the two Rokit 5??? Well, you need two mic cables that long.

Very simple.

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Tony Wright
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Jun 13th, 2017 10:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another option...

Your other option is simple...have a local repair tech (the local guitar store should be one source) build you a custom cable with two male XLR on one end of a wye cable (as long as YOU desire) that terminates into a single male Tip Sleeve 1/4 inch plug.

If you have basic soldering skills, you should be able to do this.

I discovered a long time ago that "I" do not posses basic soldering skills, thus I use a lot of store bought adapters to make special connections like we are discussing...

Therealfrogman

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Jun 15th, 2017 12:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This stuff boggles my mind, however, a 1/8" stereo connector at computer with a split 1/4" mono ends into 1 and 2 on the mixer, a 1/8 into 1/4 converter (stereo) into a 1/4 mono into Line out works, these are the types of connectors I had in my parts bucket... I have output at both speakers in mono which is fine.

The connectors into the speakers are using the rca unbalanced inputs, I do not know if I could achieve any balancing with this Mickey Mousing and doubt it would make any difference but I did want to use either the 1/4 or XLR connections. Sounds pretty good, the EQ stuff works and I can just grab the master volume to quiet everything without having to click around with a mouse!

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Jun 16th, 2017 04:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sounds like a good result!
The ol' "more than one way to skin a cat" thing. Glad it's working for you.

Tony Wright
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Jun 16th, 2017 08:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There is a patch cable in every possible configuration...or at least you can pick up "two" patch cables to make "one".

Because I do sound for hire, I run into computer or cell phone or iPad into conventional PA mixers or other pro audio devices all the time. Basically, lots of sound I do is exactly what you are doing: taking the client's "headphone out" signal and putting it into the PA to make it louder.

I carry the patch cables that I suggested in the posts above, but I also carry several of the patch cable below to get the signal from the headphone out to the mixer. The mixer's I use all have at least one channel that has two 1/4 female input (stereo channel) AND they also have channels that accept XLR (mic) and single 1/4 inputs (guitar or keys or drum machines or ???)

If I can learn this stuff, anyone can learn. It really is simple...tab A into slot B. Start at the source...the voice or the computer or the instrument...connect to the output making sure it goes on to the ear of the listener.

This stuff is really simple in most cases.

Glad you had the parts on hand. I am also glad that you resolved your own questions.

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