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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Gibson Min-etune: Question on tuning manually

ejm

usa

May 31st, 2017 09:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A son of a co-worker recently bought an SG with this system on it.

After a few months now, it's time to change strings. He has asked for my help, specifically: Can the system be defeated, and the guitar tuned manually like the old days?

Being the dinosaur that I am, I am unfamiliar with this system. I have not actually done a hands on with the guitar yet.

I did a few creative searches on the forums here and only one post was found, and it didn't ask that question.

I also did some Googling and YouTubing to no avail. (There are plenty of videos on YT showing how to remove the system and install stock tuners, though.)

Thanks in advance.

Tags for possible future searches:
e tune, e-tune, e tun, e-tun
min-e tune, min-etune, min-e tun, min-etun
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Pinetree
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May 31st, 2017 09:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's the manual.

External link

ejm

usa

May 31st, 2017 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pinetree: Thanks for your response.

The manual was the obvious first place to go foe the answer.
In my initial investigation, as I said, I did some Googling and did come across the manual, among other things.
I read it.
I did not see the answer to my question in the manual.

I also saw posts on other web sites, none of which addressed/answered the question.

All of that was done before I posted here.

It's possible that the answer is in the manual, and that I initially missed it.
Did you read the manual, and if so, did you find the answer?
If so, where is it?

Thanks in advance.


Pinetree
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May 31st, 2017 12:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, I read it. It's not in there. Gibson can't fathom you not using the robot tuner and doing it the old fashioned way.

I posted the link in the hopes of educating you as to the use of said robot tuner.




Leftee
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May 31st, 2017 12:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Rev owns a Gibson with these tuners. I'm sure he'll be along shortly.

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May 31st, 2017 03:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

From the Gibson Website:

If you don’t apply power G FORCE (same concept as the Min Etune system) is a manual tuner. The gear ratio is 40:1 so the tuning can be very precise (just don’t tune manually while G FORCE is turned on). Second, although G FORCE can tune to perfect pitch, you can also create tunings that aren’t perfect (like sweetened tunings) and save them as presets.

This

reverendrob
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May 31st, 2017 03:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

People manually tuning these things is what KILLS them. Seriously.

Read the manual on adding/removing strings, then do what it says.

Don't use the manual tuner function if you can help it, you'll hate yourself more than if you'd read the manual.

The things are stupid, stupid easy to use.

Once you've got the strings on, press the power button. Strum.

Look at the lights on the back of the thing for each string. Green = You're golden.

Yellow = tuners are likely spinning and adjusting.

Red: nope, strum that string or multiple strings again.

If it blinks one string at a time red, it wants you to *just* hit that string.




ejm

usa

Jun 1st, 2017 08:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks to those who responded.

I dinked with it one time several months ago. The immediate thing that I noticed was the little detents when you turn the keys, which I assume is the 40:1 ratio. This essentially makes it impossible to use manually. Note that I said "essentially".

I happened to run across in my research someone saying to NOT use a string winder on the tuners. They didn't elaborate as to why, but I have strong suspicions that they're right. But with the locking tuners, you shouldn't need to do that many wraps on the post anyway.

Also, in my cruising/stalking/lurking/prowling/researching on the internet I found this video after posting here. Once again, they don't go into it in great detail, but at about the 1:00 or so mark the question is briefly asked and answered.

After watching this video, and thinking about it a little, I'm finding it hard to come up with reasons to not like this system.

Thanks again.

Gibson Min-etune, a short and not bad YT video

reverendrob
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Jun 1st, 2017 09:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yea, you don't need to use a winder on the tuners even to get the windings on the post - it does it itself.

I love the thing enough that I'm still intending to get a set for my 339.

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Jun 1st, 2017 06:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The little detents you feel means they're stepper motors--each one has a feedback circuit that's used by the microprocessor to ascertain the position of the motor's rotary section. It's quite sophisticated for what it does.

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Jun 1st, 2017 10:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yea, it's an amazing and small and lightweight piece of modern magic.

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Jun 1st, 2017 11:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

One of my SG's has the Min etune system, the instructions say to NEVER use those string winder tools on these tuners. I downloaded the 18 page manual off the net and never looked back. That's sort of misleading because I don't retain info very well so I DO have to refer back to the manual to remember the right series of promps when I change out strings every 4 or 5 months but it's pretty slick once you start using it.

BTW I use the stock presets for a dropped 1/2 step Standard tuning, Open E, and a custom tuning I've stored, an open E tuning that is dropped 1/2 step (open Eb) that one took a while to work out but as long as I remember where it's stored it's there when I need it.

Just like any guitar, when you make large changes in string tension (open tuning to standard) you will have to keep checking to see if your staying in tune, mine is almost always out a little after the first few minutes of playing in the new tuning but after bringing it back up it settles in and I'm ready to go.

69tele

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Jun 6th, 2017 04:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had this system on a Les Paul I bought recently and to be honest it was more trouble that its worth, the worst was it would not tune properly unless the accuracy was turned up to max and then it was really slow.

Retringing was also quite painful with the weird wrap around system

Installed some regular tuners.. and much happier now

Robot Tuners Be Gone

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Jun 6th, 2017 04:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just goes to show different people have different responses to new things.

I change strings faster with the things than I do without by far!

And tuning at max (which is what I've had it set at since the first week) is still faster than tuning by hand!

69tele

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Jun 7th, 2017 07:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think its a bit of a love it or hate it thing with the robot tuners... I just didnt think it was gig worthy to be honest far easier to re-string and tune by hand. My 2 cents of course..

reverendrob
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Jun 8th, 2017 01:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You also used the version from the initial offering.

I waited for year two :)

ejm

usa

Jun 8th, 2017 09:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Status update...........

Last weekend we attempted the restring. After watching a couple of videos and glancing at the manual, it was a piece of cake..........until.......the battery went dead.

He has had the guitar for several months, so it's no surprise. He did not have a back up battery, and did not have the charger. (I don't know if the guitar should have come with a charger, but he didn't get one.) Of course you already know without asking that none of the local stores had a battery or a charger. And this is LA, so there are a LOT of local stores.

We put the last three strings on by hand. We did not use a string winder. That was a few days ago, and I don't know if he got a charger yet.

My virgin to this system advice for anyone who has one: Get a charger and a spare battery, and take them with you to the gigs (at least take a spare charged battery). Otherwise it's like gigging without spare strings/cords/picks.


reverendrob
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Jun 8th, 2017 04:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They come with a charger.

And the battery lasts several months of normal use between charges - I do mine every 2-3 months just because.

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