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telewired
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Apr 24th, 2017 10:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So I have this Supro Westbury with 2 Goldfoil pickups.
The pots that came in this are the smaller Alpha
250 Volume
500 Tone
.22 cap.

What needs to change to make the guitar not so ice picky??
When I play I have the tone control almost all the way toward bass.....
What is the proper height to set PUPs at and with this change the briteness?

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Apr 24th, 2017 11:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Try a 250k ohm tone pot.

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Apr 24th, 2017 01:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pickup height isn't known for addressing warmth. But every different pickup on every different guitar does different things. Its a matter of experimentation. A 250K tone pot just might help. Changing the cap to just another one by a different manufacturer might help as caps used in guitars have very little quality control. You can put another .022uf in parallel to the one that is already there or try a .047uf or a .1uf cap. Caps are cheap.

If the spectrum of frequency response from your pickups is limited, there isn't much you can do to bring out lower frequencies. Increasing the load (reducing the value of the pots) may shift the resonant frequency of the pickup but it does so at the expense of the output level which then necessitates putting the pickup closer to the strings. Heavier gauge wound strings will increase the volume of those strings but my guess is that you're looking for more lower harmonic content.

It may be that you just need to celebrate what the guitar is good at and use another guitar for those times when you want a different tone.

telewired
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Apr 24th, 2017 01:26 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Is there really a noticeable difference in tone from different types and makes of caps?? Like Paper in Oil or Bumblebee or .......

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Apr 24th, 2017 01:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not to my ears.




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Apr 24th, 2017 02:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's a quick, simple, and cheap way to tame peaky guitars:

Adjust your amp.

Sounds stupid easy, and it is. You paid for those tone controls--might as well use them.

If you're used to Strats and Teles and Les Pauls, and then you try these gold foils or lipsticks, you're going to think, "WOW this guitar is bright!"

Mess with the tone controls on the amp, or use an EQ pedal if you're gigging and need to swap guitars without going to your amp to twiddle the knobs.

Another thing you can do is try flat-wound, ground-wound, or tape-wound strings.

They can have quite an effect on the tone. For a more subtle effect, consider different formula strings, such as nickels rather that all steels.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 04:49 PM, Apr 24th, 2017)

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Apr 24th, 2017 03:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Is there really a noticeable difference in tone from different types and makes of caps?? Like Paper in Oil or Bumblebee or ......."

Zero difference. The only thing that matters is the value. That of course can change from cap to cap, and tolerances can be wider than specification. But 20% difference in cap won't change the sound of your pickups and of course will make zero difference when tone control is on 10.

250k tone pot will help but only so much, those pickups are brighter than standard strat single coils.

"It may be that you just need to celebrate what the guitar is good at and use another guitar for those times when you want a different tone."

+1

Pickup comparison (use desktop, rather than mobile browser)

(This message was last edited by DrKev at 05:33 PM, Apr 24th, 2017)

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Apr 24th, 2017 03:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can tell the difference between a ceramic cap and any other type - all other things equal. But just barely. Maybe.

I would (if it were my guitar) try a 250k tone pot and a .047 uF cap. That would be a step in the right direction. I don't know if it will yeild your desired results.

Cool guitar, btw!

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Apr 24th, 2017 03:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the treble turned almost all the way off----maybe one notch away from being completely off.
Will a 250 tone pot help some in place of the 500?

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Apr 24th, 2017 05:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

OK will swap out the tone pot and change cap to .047.

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Apr 24th, 2017 05:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The only time capacitor materials affect the tone is in high voltage applications, like in an amplifier.

At the millivolt levels of a guitar's tone filter circuit--it's barely detectable even on a good meter.

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