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BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
Mar 30th, 2017 02:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've managed to get myself into a situation owning a tweed blues jr, tolex blues jr, and 65 DRRI all at the same time. The last 2 are in their return period still, and I only want to keep 2 at most. Battle!

Tweed BJ - Texas blues, rock n' roll; very harsh though

Tolex BJ - Blues, Jazz, Rock; smooth but not as cutting

65 DRRI - Still being shipped, but if memory serves me, far superior cleans, but too loud for overdrive

I really can't decide, the blues jr's do things I really like, the tweed's high end pisses me off, but it's necessary for some styles. I'm really liking the tolex blues jr because it's so smooth sounding and I can play comfortably sitting in front of, but it doesn't have that aggression the tweed blues jr does.

I can't comment on the 65 DRRI, because it won't be in until tomorrow, but in my experience the blues jr fills the gaps that the DRRI won't in terms of overdrive. So, any opinions on the issue if you could only keep 2 out of 3?

(This message was last edited by BluesDood at 04:07 PM, Mar 30th, 2017)

Viera
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Mar 30th, 2017 03:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Based on your descriptions I would go with the Tweed BJ & the DRRI. Between those 2 you'll get close enough to most of what the Tolex BJ can do + you'll get the great Blackface reverb & tremolo.

That said, if these amps will be primarily for home or studio use I'd recommend a 65 PRRI over the 65 DRRI, much more usable at lower volumes.

(This message was last edited by Viera at 05:20 PM, Mar 30th, 2017)

BluesDood

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Mar 30th, 2017 03:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Viera, that's kind of the direction I was heading anyways. My only hope is that I end up wanting all of them! Lol, really though I do like not just what the tolex does clean, but it has this "thumpy" quality to it with mild overdrive that I really enjoy, whereas the tweed is ALWAYS slamming your ears with high end like a knife. That's a good sound, but not necessarily the one I want all the time.

We'll have to see, I'm big on simplicity of gear, and I wasn't looking to get more but I found the tweed blues jr just wasn't enough as my only amp. That said, at first I felt like the tolex was boxy so I got the DRRI, but the tolex BJ is breaking in nicely now...So I guess we'll just have to see how things work out. If I can get the DRRI to get mild overdrive and be very smooth, then I'm going to stick with the tweed BJ & the 65 DRRI :)

Edit: Also, I would consider a PRRI but I'm afraid of it being to little volume in the long run in case I need lots of clean headroom, as if I'm ever going to gig :P

(This message was last edited by BluesDood at 05:45 PM, Mar 30th, 2017)

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Mar 30th, 2017 03:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The DRRI is great with pedals if you need some more grit at lower volumes.

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Mar 30th, 2017 04:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You could probaby work with either BJr and swap speakers or tubes and get the best of both.
The DRRI is a must-have for any Fender tube amp fan.

BluesDood

United States

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Mar 30th, 2017 08:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Swampy, I'm not an amp modder, either it works or it doesn't is my philosophy. That said, that's from my experience with modding, very unsuccessfully.

Anyway, what I found is that the tolex model doesn't handle high gain well and ends up just farting out. The tweed amp smashes through, because it's so harsh and unfriendly, that works to the amps advantage...dirty at least. Vice versa the tolex version is still nicer sounding clean and slightly dirty, but anything past that it seems to me the amp has to be really loud to sound good.

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
Mar 31st, 2017 05:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Update:

The DRRI came in and I really did forget what the amp sounded like. It really out-does both my blues jr's by a long shot, except gain obviously simply because volume thresh-hold.

So that said, I just so happend to purchase a boss ce-2w and both blues jr's in stereo kills! It doesn't sound like the DRRI, but it's extremely usable, even low volume for nice-big sounding overdrive.

Stereo doesn't work with the DRRI imo. It has NO compression at low volumes, so trying to play the blues jr in stereo with the DRRI just doesn't work. The blues jr's together are a good pair because they're both equal in terms of volume and compression.

Personally, I'm really not fond of owning 3 amps and only 1 guitar, it seems a bit unnecessary, but I'll just have to see what I think in a couple of days.

(This message was last edited by BluesDood at 07:38 PM, Mar 31st, 2017)

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Apr 1st, 2017 09:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Is the difference between the tolex and tweed the speaker primarily?
I have a green board Jr and a cab/speaker from a tweed.

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Apr 1st, 2017 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's tough to beat a DRRI for pure Fender Blackface clean bliss. The last year I owned mine I almost exclusively played it through the normal channel. Enjoy yours.

BluesDood

United States

Blues Dood
Apr 1st, 2017 12:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Malcolm, yes as far as I know it's just the speaker, but it makes a massive difference. I like the tweed blues jr, but it's so one dimensional...The tolex blues jr is much softer sounding with more bass and mids. Overall its slightly more pleasing when just sitting in front of it. The tweed blues jr has a vintage vibe...but that also limits it to a particular sound...

Viera, yeah I don't know. The DRRI is just as I remembered it...okay at low volumes, but really kind of stagnates until past 4. I'll see how it works out, personally I feel the DRRI is almost too luxurious for me, in the sense I would never be able to get it to sound the way it's supposed to, it's just too loud for low volumes.

That's just my thoughts at the moment though, kind of pushed by the fact that I'm under financial pressure to make a choice so it's not just the amps. I'm having to find something that works without any finking at my volume requirements. To be determined!

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Apr 5th, 2017 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the drri and a prri 68 custom. Very happy with that combo. Nice bass with the prri. You forget it's a 10 inch speaker.

tuninguitars

Indiana

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Apr 5th, 2017 12:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

well you are about to begin a hunt that is never ending looking for that certain sound, because everything effects how things sound every day things are different weather, how much you feel like playing, who or what else is playing, picks, strings, size of room, how many people, what was playing on the jute box, inside or out side, looks of the waitress, looks of the blond at the bar alone, jim beam sometime helps when the guitar wont cooperate, anyway that's just a few thoughts and why after playing for 65 years I have a lot of guitars and amps and speakers, and still looking at pawn shops and music stores. also what you like at 20 you may not care for at 35 or 50 or 60,70 or 74 !!!!

(This message was last edited by tuninguitars at 02:40 PM, Apr 5th, 2017)

BluesDood

United States

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Apr 5th, 2017 01:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Budg:

I'm actually in the position of exchanging the 65 DRRI for a 65 PRRI, any thoughts? I'm probably going to make a separate thread for that, but thought I'd ask. So far, I really like the DRRI, but it can be a little loud for me. In my experience the Princeton is comfortable playing at low volumes.

Tuningguitars:

I don't totally disagree, but for me the struggle I feel/hope is soon coming to a close. I own a std. amrc. strat, an a LTD. blues jr. Those two things cover 99.95% of my needs. The blackface just covers clean tones better in my opinion, and has a unique character. Probably just circling around the point you were making, but I really don't want to be on that never ending search, and if this doesn't work out I'm not going to be looking for something else. The blues jr is good enough, the blackface just has that "oh my dear god, I'm melting in joyous ear fondling" thing going for it.


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