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windmill
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Mar 18th, 2017 02:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

.. to know where the notes are,
Why didn't I think that also meant to learn the fingering as well !!

(I am just frustrated at trying to sightread music and landing on the wrong notes.)

How many of you can play without looking at the fretboard ?

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Mar 18th, 2017 12:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can do that fairly okay, unless I have to make a big jump up or down the frets. Then I gotta look.

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Mar 18th, 2017 02:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Same as Peegoo. I can do it by feel unless it's a big move.

As far as 'knowing where the notes are' it's not as hard as it might seem. There are certain 'tricks'. You start with the 1-4-5 pattern on the E and A as the starting point. You can memorize those quick.Then moving to the D you find your octave and start over.

Another way is to think in terms of 2 'buckets'.

The E-A-e is just memory but it doesnt take long. The interior DGB is either an A or Am shape that is moved up the neck.

Basically if you learn the CAGED system I think you know just about all you need to know about fretboard logic and where the notes are.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 04:24 PM, Mar 18th, 2017)

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Mar 18th, 2017 02:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

All ya gotta do is memorize the notes for the positions that have dots on the board. Everything else is a half step up or down from those. Way simpler than getting them all into your noggin!

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Mar 20th, 2017 03:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I think of it more in terms of intervals. When I'm reading, I know what string I'm on and where other notes are in physical relation to where I'm at.

But, yeah, I had to give up a gig for a musical recently, because the part was obviously not written by a guitar player. It was pretty dense, and impossible to read and play without looking. It would have taken tons of memorization, because the leaps and fingerings were so weird. Since it was a free gig, I wasn't willing to put in that kind of woodshed time!

(This message was last edited by gdw3 at 05:03 PM, Mar 20th, 2017)

Achase4u

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Mar 21st, 2017 06:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Depends, but its good to try to read some and play. Its funny, if I learn a part by reading and playing and it's one where I never look at the fretboard, I have trouble playing it actually *looking* at the fretboard at first. Pays to play it both ways.

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Mar 21st, 2017 07:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Does changing scale length hinder you or doesn't it matter ?

I have been playing bass a bit lately

:)

Achase4u

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Mar 22nd, 2017 08:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As long as I've warmed up like a good boy for 30 minutes or so, it doesn't really make a difference. I try to "calibrate" to any guitar I am going to be playing by doing some warm ups.

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Mar 23rd, 2017 06:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You know, I've been playing guitar over 50 years and I still don't know where all the notes on the neck are. I can read music (treble clef anyway) but I count on chord charts to get me through playing songs on guitar. And Youtube. God, I wish YT was around in the 60's. How many songs have I played wrong for so long?

Achase4u

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Mar 23rd, 2017 08:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I work on consciously saying note names while I play them. I try to do it each day in all keys. There are lots of spots I don't know quickly enough, but maybe some years down the road I'll know them without having to count off another fret.

Even with YT and the ability to read music I still play songs wrong. Ah well. If I could play everything right I wouldn't have anything to work on.

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Mar 24th, 2017 01:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey, YT demos get it wrong All. The. Time. I just recently needed to learn "Roxanne" for this student recital coming up, and instead of transcribing, I thought I'd just go to trusty ol' YouTube to clue me in quickly. I watched 3 "pro" videos, and ALL 3 were different!

BTW, Andy from Pro Guitar Shop had it right. He's great at learning covers note-for-note. (the reason I know he's right, besides that it sounded right, & after I watched him, I went and looked at a couple live versions of the song, and that was how Andy Summers played it.)

(This message was last edited by gdw3 at 05:44 PM, Jun 12th, 2017)

Achase4u

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Mar 24th, 2017 03:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Andy is killer at covers!

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May 15th, 2017 04:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Andy is great over there. JMO. I also seem to learn about correct notes from this guy also...

mnaicck

(This message was last edited by Foggy1 at 06:40 AM, May 15th, 2017)

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Jun 8th, 2017 01:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Practice while watching your hands in a mirror. That way you can see where your fingers are without looking at the fretboard. You'll get into the habit and develop the muscle memory, so that when you don't have the mirror in front of you, you still won't need to look at the fretboard so much.
Plus, you can work on your guitar face at the same time. ;^D

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