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BbendFender
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Feb 23rd, 2017 07:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My nephew is an auctioneer. Someone brought a Strat neck for him to put in their next auction. My nephew contacted me and texted me some pics. The headstock and decal definitely look old. The back of the headstock show multiple tuners over a period of time. The odd thing about this neck is no truss rod adjustment nut at the butt of the neck. Looks like the neck may have been marked for a truss rod nut but nothing was drilled out. The wood on the neck looks old with the usual wear of an older neck. There is marker type writing on the back of the neck where it joins the guitar. I have 4 pic for you to review and tell me what you think.
The marker writing indicates possible '59. I know very little about this nec. Have not seen it other than texted pictures from my nephew. My nephew knows nothing about guitar. He wondered if the neck was real, would it be worth $300? Sure, it's worth $300, I'll send you the money now!

Strat neck pic 1

(This message was last edited by BbendFender at 09:32 PM, Feb 23rd, 2017)

BbendFender
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Feb 23rd, 2017 07:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pic 2

Strat neck pic 2

BbendFender
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Feb 23rd, 2017 07:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pic 3

Strat neck pic 3

(This message was last edited by BbendFender at 09:30 PM, Feb 23rd, 2017)

BbendFender
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Feb 23rd, 2017 07:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Pic 4

Pic 4

Pinetree
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Feb 24th, 2017 12:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looks off to me.



DrKev
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Feb 24th, 2017 02:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Not a neck expert but, my first thoughts are...

The first 50 esquires had no truss rod (Leo Fender had to be convinced to put adjustable truss rods in) but those were not strats. In '59 neck dates were marked in pencil, not stamped or marker, and would be on the butt of the heel under the truss rod nut.

With all the extra drill holes, and no other proof of provenance, and those crappy photos, I wouldn't pay for it at all.

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Feb 24th, 2017 08:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A couple of years ago, the Custom Shop was making a special run of Strats that featured a neck with no truss rod. Just sayin'...

Not sure what this particular neck is all about.

Hammond101
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Feb 24th, 2017 03:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It does not look Fender to me but it has lived a hard life.

I can't really see the headstock but the heal contour look wrong.

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Feb 27th, 2017 07:02 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I can see the original tuners were a strip, like many cheap Japanese necks from the 60's had. This is a cheap, old neck with a fake decal. Worth maybe $10.

BbendFender
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Feb 27th, 2017 05:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I finally got to see the neck today. It looks real to me. I know the tuners that were on this guitar at one time are not original. If it is indeed a real Fender neck, it may have been pulled before it was finished (truss rod). There is a crack in the rosewood that may have gotten it pulled from the production line.
I took a magnet and placed on the back of the neck and found there is a truss rod under the fretboard but the hole at the end was never drilled. Brazilian rosewood fretboard. I took more pictures but haven't downloaded them yet. Not sure if I will try to get it or not.

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Feb 27th, 2017 06:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"If it is indeed a real Fender neck, it may have been pulled before it was finished (truss rod). There is a crack in the rosewood that may have gotten it pulled from the production line."

Isn't the truss rod installed *before* the fretboard goes on though?


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Feb 27th, 2017 06:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In the mid 1960s Fender experimented with a steel non-adjustable truss rod (it was called a Uni-Bar IIRC) and several down-market acoustics escaped the factory with that feature in the neck. Martin had successfully done this (they called it a T-Bar) and Fender was trying it for themselves: rout a channel in the maple, glue in the steel bar, and then glue on the fingerboard).

I'm speculating here: that neck you show in the pics might be a mid-60s experiment (they had just brought back the "slab" rosewood fingerboards) to see if it was feasible on a Strat neck. That may be the case.

However, Fender rarely installed decals on their experimental guitars. So I'm guessing whoever ended up with it (an employee, perhaps?) stuck some decals on there and it got used on several FrankenStrats over the years.

As mentioned above--without some documentation or official appraisal--the value is pretty minimal.

BbendFender
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Feb 28th, 2017 07:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The decal has been on this neck for a very long time. The decal appears to be put on over the nitro finish.
Not sure what to do on this, whether to bid or just let it pass.

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Feb 28th, 2017 08:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd vote for "pass". Too many unkowns.

Pinetree
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Feb 28th, 2017 08:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You just know he wants it.




BbendFender
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Mar 1st, 2017 10:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I may bid on it but it won't be much.

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Mar 1st, 2017 03:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No more than $30.



Hammond101
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Mar 1st, 2017 05:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was going to say $20.

amphead4

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Mar 2nd, 2017 07:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If it has too much relief, you'll have to compression fret it to get it back where it needs to be.

reverendrob
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Mar 2nd, 2017 01:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd wager Vietnam-era clone more than anything.

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