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BrentD
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By Grabthar's Hammer, what a savings.
Jan 28th, 2017 08:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi all. I've done some searching but haven't gotten much directly on point. I would like to put some noiseless pickups in my Strat. It came from the factory during a transition and has an American Standard bridge pickup and CS Fat 50s pickups in the middle and neck.

My local shop has a set of N3s on clearance for $100, but I won't buy them if they are likely to be lousy. Other options I'm looking at are Fender Hot Noiseless and Bill Lawrence L-200Ss.

I'd appreciate any input on these few choices. If anyone thinks the Bill Lawrence pups are best, can you also recommend a bridge pickup? They seem to have discontinued the L-200SL.

stratcowboy
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Jan 28th, 2017 09:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Why not consider these. If I needed to go noiseless, this would probably be the route I would take.


My choice...

littleuch
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Jan 28th, 2017 09:39 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The only noiseless pickups I've ever tried are Bill Lawrence Wilde. I now have 3 sets (2 Strat, 1 Tele). The most recent set is L-280SN/M & L-290SL in a new build and with 500k pots are every bit Strat and then some. They can be a bit a quirky with communication and delivery. The most recent transaction went smooth and pretty quick. I really, really dig them, and this is coming from a previous Fralin/vintage snobadouche.

BrentD
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Jan 28th, 2017 10:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the replies so far. The Fishmans are cool but are a lot more expensive and are active. Hoping I can do it with passive pickups!

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Jan 28th, 2017 11:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have Fender VN's in 2 of my strats and have no problems with them at all. They sound like single coils to me. I have not tried the Hot or N3 versions.

I installed them using my existing 250k pots and find them bright enough that I can't imagine needing the 500k & 1M pots that come with them. YMMV

I have not done a comparison between the different values, but I know others have had the same experience using 250's.

I also have one strat (used to have 3) with Lace Sensors and I also like them. Technically LS are "noise reduced" not noise-less, but I've never had any noise issues with them, and fwiw, I switched from std SC's because the house we had had really dirty power. Problem solved. (no longer own that house though)
There seem to be only two camps when it comes to LS's. Love 'em or hate 'em.
If you search the FDP, you'll find numerous remarks from me & others on the subject. I happen to like them very much, but they *are* different than SC's.

I would love to try the Wildes because I've so so much positive about the *pickups*, but I lack the patience and didn't like the lack of communication. I ended up cancelling my one order after 8 weeks (2015) and no communication.

I'm contemplating trying some Dimarzios in another guitar but still thinking on it. I tried a set of Areas a couple years ago, but honestly didn't give them a fair go before pulling them out & selling on. Again, plenty of folks like them too.

I'll be watching this thread out of my own curiosity...

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 02:03 AM, Jan 29th, 2017)

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Jan 29th, 2017 12:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've had Fender Vintage Noiseless which are a crisp, clear pup to me, maybe a bit to much. I think hey sounded like this because there was absolutely no residual noise to mar the output. They are bright and defined and sometimes reminded me of a crisp humbucker sound. I liked 'em but not enough when compared to N3s.

I really like N3s. I find it hard to describe them. They are vintage and not. I dunno, wish I could put it in words but they really appeal to my brain. It was enough for me to offload my VN pups.

BrentD
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Jan 30th, 2017 01:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I heard the MojoTones online. I should not have done that. Same goes with Kinmans.

I was able this morning to play guitars loaded with N3s, VNs, Areas, and put them next to vintage-styled SCs. I tried three guitars with N3s. Only one had the "single" in bridge, but in that guitar the N3s sounded kind of bleh and flat. Like it had dead strings. The mid and neck N3s in the other two sounded fine to me - maybe the one had dead strings?

The Areas were the Strattiest of the bunch. Harumph. Any more ideas?

RicOkc

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Jan 30th, 2017 02:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have two Strat's with Hot Noiseless in them. I've been very satisfied.

One Strat has Hot Noiseless in the neck & mid positions and a SD JB Jr. in the bridge and they work well together.

They work with the stock pots & cap.

(This message was last edited by RicOkc at 04:04 PM, Jan 30th, 2017)

L. Nedmundo

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Jan 31st, 2017 11:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm mostly a bassist, so I haven't tried as many Strat pickups as others here, but I've been thrilled with the Lace Sensor Hot Golds in my 2004 Strat. They are different from traditional single coils, but they ARE true single coils and thus have the bite and glass associated with Strats IMO. They also have more sustain, and I believe some natural compression, which partly account for their different feel/vibe. Lace makes a huge range of Sensors for different tones, and the "sidewinder" Holy Grails that supposedly capture a more vintage Strat tone. If you want to hear the regular Gold Sensors, check out any Who live DVD from 1997 on, because Townshend has them in his old Clapton Signature Strats. Unfortunately he's usually low in the mix, but you'll get the idea. Adrian Belew uses them also.

I've also briefly tried Fender's Vintage Noiseless, which I've liked, and DiMarzio's Area pickups get generally good reviews. If the Area Strat pickups are as good as their Area J bass pickups, they're winners.

DrKev
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Feb 5th, 2017 06:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

DiMarzio Area or the Lawrence Wilde NF singles would be my choice.


BrentD
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Feb 5th, 2017 08:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just to update, I ended up with a set of Areas. They do exactly what I wanted them to do. Thanks for the input!

littleuch
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Feb 5th, 2017 08:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had forgotten that I also tried the Dimarzio Area 58's (with a Virtual Solo in bridge). Nice pickups, but I prefer the Wilde Noisefree pickups ;-)

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 14th, 2017 12:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

RicOkc
Man, I've got a MIM Strat and thinking of buying the Hot Noiseless. Do you think that would be a great upgrade? And, is it possible to get any closer to a SRV or Hendrix kinda of sound? Knowing that we've got to make a few tweaks in the amp, of course.

RicOkc

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Feb 16th, 2017 06:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

An issue with the Hot Noiseless is the depth of the routs for the pick-ups.

Some Fender bodies aren't deep enough to install them without having to deepen the pick-up slots.

I've been able to get Hendrix type sounds on my Strats, not so sure about SRV.

pombrio
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Feb 16th, 2017 07:17 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

BrentD, which Areas did you go with?

58, 61 or 67? How's the bridge by itself as far as brightness? Also, how's the quack in 2 & 4?

Thanks

champster
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Feb 16th, 2017 08:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have Hot Noiseless in a strat and they sound great. I have VNs in another strat and a tele. Great sounding, a bit darker and mellow compared to the Hot Noiseless. Both sound great.

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 16th, 2017 07:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank's for all the atention guys!
My MIM strat it's from 99. Do you think I'll have issues about the depth of the routs?

(This message was last edited by BluesBrazil at 09:14 PM, Feb 16th, 2017)

Purple Valley
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Feb 16th, 2017 08:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Blues, you should be okay, if yours is an MIM Standard. I put HN's in my 2003 MIM Standatrd, no problem.

Generally, the only Strats with shallow routing are the vintage ones, or the vintage-style new models, like the MIM Classics, AV RI's, etc.

BluesBrazil

Brazil

Feb 17th, 2017 04:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Purple! Thank you so much man!
Yes, it is a MIM Standard. I really like it's sound, but I think with the HN, the sound would be upgraded.

What can you say about your MIM with the HN?

Purple Valley
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Feb 17th, 2017 03:19 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Blues, I love the HN's. I liked the stock pups, especially the bridge pup. I just found them a little bit dull for clean/low gain playing. I find the HN's are really great, for any kind of tone. Totally noiseless, but still sparkly and Stratty cleans, and great for gain also. Definitely an upgrade from the stock pups. My MIM is now my #1 favorite guitar to play, and I have a bunch.

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